Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 94525 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2010 21:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 16 Mar 2010 21:33:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 55604 invoked by uid 500); 16 Mar 2010 21:33:52 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 55362 invoked by uid 500); 16 Mar 2010 21:33:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: legal-discuss@apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 55354 invoked by uid 99); 16 Mar 2010 21:33:52 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:33:52 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=10.0 tests=AWL,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [195.188.213.7] (HELO smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk) (195.188.213.7) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:33:43 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NreOA-0007R6-B6 for legal-discuss@apache.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:33:22 +0000 Received: from [94.168.198.57] (helo=localhost.) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NreO9-0006Qe-TM for legal-discuss@apache.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:33:21 +0000 Message-ID: <28085227.0.1268775201785.JavaMail.root@thebes> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UserIsAuth: true Received: from up110a.halls.manchester.ac.uk. ([130.88.170.110]) by localhost. (JAMES SMTP Server 3.0-SNAPSHOT) with ESMTPA ID 346 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:33:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:33:44 +0000 From: Robert Burrell Donkin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100309 Thunderbird/3.0.3 To: legal-discuss@apache.org Subject: Re: [LEGAL-67] Who We Are, Legal Affairs References: <11944107.9.1266653230687.JavaMail.root@thebes> <2d12b2f01002212313u6c61c922jbd4650f42a8ce6c8@mail.gmail.com> <15979196.1.1267656134616.JavaMail.root@thebes> <3d4032301003050518k4b4d7250rc186f6c26c7c8e5d@mail.gmail.com> <4F9F1BB8-4C93-4245-9FBB-8EE9E8FB02E3@dslextreme.com> <4B920DE7.3040805@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <4B920DE7.3040805@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/06/10 08:10, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 3/6/2010 1:31 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: >> >> You missed my point. Since looking at committee-info isn't as easy as looking at a web site many people asking questions are unaware who the committee members are. >> Since your name is publicly visable you effectively become the only "official" voice. the membership of the committee is a matter of public record (through the board minutes) but it's not easy to find > And perhaps you miss Sam's. Anyone who would willingly become the legal voice > of the ASF without appropriate financial commiseration is a fool. Sam is the > appointed voice of the foundation and the foundation backs him and his committee > with what resources it can. Any further public identification of the legal > representatives and committee representatives, except for publicly disclosed > officers and legal counsel, works against such individuals' interests. it is interesting that official legal voice seems important... "the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to create an Executive Committee charged with establishing and managing legal policies based on the advice of legal counsel and the interests of the Foundation" http://www.apache.org/legal/reports.html#2009-03-18 AFACT in practice, legal affairs runs by a consensus driven policy creation mechanism. policy is codified through changes to the web site. the web site is the canonical record for policy and the official voice of policy. so, perhaps any explanation of roles should be use case driven rather than theoretic. for example, "Apache Trouble finds License A is not categorised. The role of legal discuss is to achieve consensus on categorisation. The role of legal affairs is to supervise and ratify. The role of VP is to supervise and seek legal counsel if necessary." opinions? - robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org