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Subject: Re: Test case, shindig NOTICE file
From: Santiago Gala <sgala@apache.org>
To: ASF Legal Discuss <legal-discuss@apache.org>
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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:42:28 +0100
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Sender: Santiago Gala <santiago.gala@gmail.com>

El lun, 03-03-2008 a las 13:52 -0800, Roy T. Fielding escribió:
> No, it is not correct.  Thank you for pointing out where the bad advice
> is coming from on our website.
> 
> NOTICES is for mandatory attributions *only*.  The kind of things you
> expect to see in an About... box when required by the licensed component
> or by the CCLA or software grant.  It should not contain any horizontal
> rules (or anything else that isn't strictly necessary).  The only bits
> that this one should contain are:
> 
>     Apache Shindig
>     Copyright 2008 The Apache Software Foundation
> 
>     This product includes software developed at
>     The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
> 
>     This product includes software (Gadget Server, Gadget Container)
>     originally developed by Google Inc. (http://code.google.com/) and
>     licensed to the ASF as the initial contribution for Shindig.
> 

My understanding was that keeping the MIT (or GPL license, as it is dual
licensed) for jquery.js was mandatory, and this license is in a separate
file in the original distribution. In fact, the only copyright
information in the external file is:

    * Copyright (c) 2007 John Resig (jquery.com)
    * Dual licensed under the MIT (MIT-LICENSE.txt)
    * and GPL (GPL-LICENSE.txt) licenses.

as the license was not imported into our tree. For this reason I pasted
it into the NOTICE file, as it is *mandatory attribution*. How should it
be done?

> A "copyright notice" is the one line that says "Copyright YYYY ...".
> It does not include the copyright license header.  It should not be
> moved unless its movement is requested by the owner of the file.
> 

The MIT-LICENSE.txt file says:

    The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be
    included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

Not sure how to deal with it. And my understanding was that the NOTICE
file should include the License when it was mandatory. Wrong. I'll take
a look to send a patch to the documentation file.

Regards
Santiago

> ....Roy
> 
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Santiago Gala wrote:
> 
> > I updated today the NOTICE file from shindig from:
> >
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/shindig/trunk/NOTICE? 
> > view=markup&pathrev=628639
> >
> > to
> >
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/shindig/trunk/NOTICE? 
> > view=markup&pathrev=633035
> >
> > (or
> > http://github.com/sgala/apache-incubator-shindig/commit/ 
> > 8222e6fade196b203c94a3fbbd371a221ed7b88c )
> >
> > I tried to follow http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html, but it
> > was somehow confusing to me. I looked, as a template, to a recent  
> > NOTICE
> > file of httpd or mod_python, can't remember exactly.
> >
> > First, I used a line of dashes to separate, changelog like, the
> > different entries.
> >
> > I modified the original reference to Google, as it didn't look good to
> > remove it completely, but...
> >
> > I added a reference to a couple of MIT licensed files I *found* in the
> > codebase. I included the file names, as the typical "portions" is very
> > unclear.
> >
> >
> > I'm sending this here to:
> > * get feedback if what I did was off base
> > * if I made some mistake, correct it in the "/legal/src-headers.html"
> > document so as to have cleaner interpretation next time
> > * as I prepare this email, I think the original Google copyright  
> > notices
> > might be required to move here. See
> > http://github.com/sgala/apache-incubator-shindig/commit/ 
> > ca95c2606006bbd4d3ce37827eb116b77ae486cd (620620), http:// 
> > github.com/sgala/apache-incubator-shindig/commit/ 
> > a08a8fc370821230aea42b17930d6b1257dbec6a (620616) and http:// 
> > github.com/sgala/apache-incubator-shindig/commit/ 
> > 17e0d552a27d1d4822409dda68b9cc55716d386e (609753)
> > I don't have a clue about this.
> > * The original changes is documented here:
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SHINDIG-13
> > * even if it is deemed "right", I'd rewrite the page to show a typical
> > result page and reassure people changing license information.
> >
> > How about this test case to try to debug the start of a NOTICE file  
> > when
> > a new project is starting incubation? I'm requesting an expert  
> > audit and
> > will send patches for the /legal/src-headers.html page or document in
> > the wiki as preferred.
> >
> > Regards
> > -- 
> > Santiago Gala
> > http://memojo.com/~sgala/blog/
> >
> >
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-- 
Santiago Gala
http://memojo.com/~sgala/blog/


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