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Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux
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Hi.

I think in all of this, you may be overlooking one element : the 
distributions you seem to be talking about are free, and made by 
volunteers who donate their time.
That includes Tomcat.
There are other distributions which are not free, where the people 
making them actually get paid for doing so, and for testing them 
together with other packages, and for handling a whole concept of 
"global releases".
For those you pay, and you are then entitled to complain (to them) if 
they lag behind, or do not provide the tools you would wish for.

It is your choice to subscribe to one or the other.  As often mentioned 
on this forum also, contributions are always welcome.

In my country, there is a proverb : if you receive a horse (as a 
present, for free), then you should not check his teeth.

My apologies if I misinterpreted your post below.


Dale Ogilvie wrote:
> * We are serious about our tomcat install, and find configuration file
> and jvm tweaks about all we need to do.
> * Agreed that most distro's (apart from the rolling release ones such as
> gentoo, arch) are lagging behind. This is the problem in my view.
> * I would rather delegate the responsibility for security patches to the
> distro, like I do for kernel security patches.
> * I want security and feature updates to the other software on the
> distro, hence they are not unsolicited. Because these updates occur on
> the test/dev system first, after passing distro QA, it seems pretty
> unlikely a problem will effect our tomcat install on PROD.
> 
> Distros are all about delegation of *maintenance* responsibility to the
> distro from the end-user. This frees up the end-user to actually build
> apps, not the app-server.
> 
> Current distros seem to be not interested in maintaining tomcat packages
> at the minor version release level. Pity.
> 
> But then again, responses seem to be that the .tar.gz "package" is good
> enough for the community. Perhaps that is my answer.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dale
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harry Metske [mailto:harry.metske@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2010 6:33 p.m.
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux
> 
> I agree with Hassan,
> 
> our reasons to use the tar.gz install method :
> 
> * in most serious Tomcat environments you need more control over the
> installation and configuration than the distro managed version offers.
> * most distro's (especially RHEL) are lagging behind, so you don't get
> the latest stuff you need
> * we also keep an eye on this list and the tomcat website for updates,
> and for security patching we use some sort of subscription service from
> McAfee, so that should tell us if there are any security patches that
> need to be applied quickly.
> * it is usable and the same for all platforms we use
> * makes the separation of duty easier with our Linux administrators, at
> least I am sure I don't get unsolicited updates to my tomcat
> installations when they run an update on every package on every linux
> box
> * we run multiple Tomcat instances on the same OS image, that is not
> what the disto is facilitating
> * better open source support
> 
> But the distro packaged version could be very usable for the masses and
> non-pro use.
> 
> my two cents....
> 
> regards,
> Harry
> 
> 
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