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From "George MATKOVITS" <>
Subject Re: POJO Application Server for Tomcat
Date Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:30:56 GMT
Just please post a generic example for  one of your favorite 'Open Source' 
Data Base engines! That would be more than enough! Thank you -- George

PS. Many years ago I used to be a committer on Apache but for the last few 
years I just watched the various stuff flowing bye! IMHO there is some 
bandwidth left for  nice KISS stuff! Frankly EJBs are too complicated for 
the average VB programmer and that is why they do not migrate to nice cheap 
'universal' Java on Linux! We either do something about it or Java is going 
to die! Life ether advances or shrinks to nothing! Your POJO just might do 
it for Java! EJB people tend to be a bunch of stuck up Aristocrats! Just 
please keep on ignoring them! Did you talk to anyone at Sun? Any application 
could be written in POJO if transactionality for Data Base access could be 
easily added in!  Even Sun People like to keep on eating! They might even 
standardize some of your interfaces.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "George MATKOVITS" <>
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Subject: Re: POJO Application Server for Tomcat

>I like its Java Application/Java Class like behavior. Unfortunately it
>seems to miss probably the EJB's most important function: 'Transaction
>Support'. Please describe how to add or point to some documentation.
>Thank you -- George

Thanks George, I will be posting some examples of the way we do it, its a
pure POJO approach, name we do transactions using dB engines, there is no
concept of an entity bean as such in POJO. It amounts to a library that one
uses, as does a database pool.
Listen I'll be happy to answer any questions, but I think for specific
issues on Harbor its better is people just mail me direct, Harbor exists
because of Tomcat, but I dont want to kidnap the Tomcat mailing lists, I
havnt setup a mailing list for harbor yet, but I will.
It kinda cool though huh ;)

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>Be more specific please? What problems does it solve?
>How is that specific to Tomcat, instead of just any servlet container?
>Greetings, Lilianne E. Blaze
>Johnny Kewl wrote:
> > I'd like to show you guys something that I think may blow your minds.
> >
> > Firstly let me just say that I call myself a hobbyist, dont consider
>myself in the same league as the guru's that work on Tomcat and Apache,
>but I do spend an enormous amount of time playing with technology. One can
>almost measure how much I like a technology by how much time I stay in the
>mailing lists, on Postgresql I think it was 3 months, and I really like
>that product, on Tomcat it must be close to a year and still counting,
>what a fantastic product.
> >
> > In our office Tomcat is now officially the delivery mechanism for
> >  First I was impressed with Tomcats web abilities, then more and more
>with its container ability, we discovered that it can run any code, and
>even if it wasnt intended for the web, we started sticking applications
>into Tomcat anyway....that idea has now come a long way.
> >
> > I call it a POJO Application server, I've mentioned before that we
>actually popping full java applications out of browsers, but then it was
>very much something only I could use, messy libraries etc. What I've done
>now is (try) make a more professional package, and it would be really nice
>if the guru's just have a little read about this unbelievable servlet, and
>let me know what you think, if just to see how someone is using your
>Tomcat, in a very unusual way.
> >
> > As you will see, I dont like EJB containers, but I love Tomcat, and it
>was almost inevitable that this would happen.
> > All I will say is that this is no ordinary application server... not
>unless I missed something and you can also just drop a POJO application
>into the others and make it remoteable.
> >
> > I think its a new way of looking at application servers, it feels like a
>discovery to me, but then who knows maybe there is something out there
>like this, I dont know, all I do know is that when we drop this servlet
>into Tomcat, we run POJO applications over the wire as if they were right
>their on the client machine, the same applications that will also run
>standalone on the machine. Its so different that I really struggled to
>find the relevent theory behind this technology, I think I'm close, but
>any pointers or corrections would be much appreciated there as well.
> >
> > Anyway, would just like to thank all the Tomcat'ers that have helped me
>out, people like Chuck, Bill, Christopher, Leon, David, Mark, Mladen...
>and if I forgotten you, sorry, so many, it really is the best mailing list
>on the web.
> >
> > Oh! you'll see its only certified for Tomcat ;)
> > Only thing left to do now is see if I get Tomcat to make coffee, and
>clean the pool... and maybe get this to run on something fishy, you know,
>just in case someone needs a real application server ;)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Johnny
> >
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