Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-tomcat-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 68412 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2005 10:06:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 2005 10:06:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 77202 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2005 10:05:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-tomcat-dev-archive@tomcat.apache.org Received: (qmail 77171 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2005 10:05:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@tomcat.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Tomcat Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@tomcat.apache.org Received: (qmail 77159 invoked by uid 99); 4 Nov 2005 10:05:55 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 02:05:55 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [212.27.42.28] (HELO smtp2-g19.free.fr) (212.27.42.28) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 02:05:50 -0800 Received: from [192.168.0.1] (gou06-1-82-224-99-120.fbx.proxad.net [82.224.99.120]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A337523D5 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:05:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <436B326D.3080108@apache.org> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 11:05:33 +0100 From: Remy Maucherat User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: Sloppy, Lazy Tomcat Developers (Was: Persistent "xmlValidation" Problem) References: <002301c5dd6d$4b235e30$0100a8c0@helen> <4367859F.9080603@apache.org> <003901c5e0f1$28ef2ab0$0100a8c0@helen> In-Reply-To: <003901c5e0f1$28ef2ab0$0100a8c0@helen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Bob Bronson wrote: > Another lazy copout!! Even the web.xml that is distributed w/Tomcat does > not validate! Did you even test this before you replied to my note or > did you just assume the user was at fault??? > > When someone criticizes the poor state of an open sores project (as I am > doing now), the typical response from the open sores programmer is to > shift responsibility to the user -- the user is often told to dig > through the change logs or browse the forum archives or even to fix the > bug/documentation themselves instead of "complaining". What an > unprofessional, lazy attitude from programmers! The open sores > programmers try to cast *their* laziness as the user's laziness for "not > digging deeply enough" to resolve their own problem, or even fixing the > problem themselves by going into the source code. The fact that the > Tomcat User mailing list often receives over 150 messages a day is more > a testament to Tomcat's crappy documentation than to its popularity. > > Yes, yes, I know Tomcat is "not for me". You're damned right. I'm happy > to pay money for quality. I guess Tomcat bares out the old adage, "you > get what you pay for". If you don't feel special enough, I can do it in two seconds and can get you a cool membership to the "dev-deny" list :) R�my --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@tomcat.apache.org