From dev-return-40259-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@subversion.apache.org Fri Feb 14 18:41:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 67DC7180647 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:41:33 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 76623 invoked by uid 500); 14 Feb 2020 18:41:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@subversion.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@subversion.apache.org Received: (qmail 76607 invoked by uid 99); 14 Feb 2020 18:41:32 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:41:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id DC4E31A4152 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:41:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-ec2-va.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mIB2Hy4X8t89 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.167.175; helo=mail-oi1-f175.google.com; envelope-from=hartman.nathan@gmail.com; receiver= Received: from mail-oi1-f175.google.com (mail-oi1-f175.google.com [209.85.167.175]) by mx1-ec2-va.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-ec2-va.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 9B1DDBB805 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi1-f175.google.com with SMTP id a22so10314319oid.13 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:41:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+zVGnzKQMuJMhmXD7XMyX4dStM5bCxqqY7evgQNcVF0=; b=BP8CNkDlMdWBDZ0xY0tSc95IaVrMwSM/ECzHlKxbHlI9s7QvsFsj2wgC7vL22bY1ee UcyQiPNY10LJwCpWh2qipjOwcC04pSzJNlqicBqkaSLnsTDhFB1neuUg/vN5OZL1kN55 df6ZEaJ03xRzHfEQ0vGqmuSqzdXg69FwAzI8mPHGuizaHO6x25xICIWUMfjT1AXf365u GLnV+aqm5Wsk4SvmApe3QLfxqGGQGTuRGDGkqcETEKZi6Lfk9mRd9sO2DDZJzbE3wf1q phj9ODLod2Ku9UxNV1vkhxuU2VDaiHQozMzBRgXEXD14OpuA4wbfZiHDxhEKzNMTp+/M /P+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+zVGnzKQMuJMhmXD7XMyX4dStM5bCxqqY7evgQNcVF0=; b=ZyhRVn0FAPSWcXiDJqEXJG9P8dxFGVdE8+431IYgh/Yx5DJpnNmGZQ6ovOShVXRMNI g50Rx0PDg9JgxzrXb4zkTL1McSiTgI9iPxOfEFtS6LaI3rxddLgpu1E5MHnXS9x5NyCt aBne/NIsw2t3f37M7pgmqx/fKh+77ESRmuK809K7ao2wVIDjBo9E4QhP0ClYv786aZcP h+cnblkidH1wjobQN3RHDcktGqNA+887P+8mX2wwFjYihzzeQzOs1/bq/u4yxhNCz8nq DfyvxNo7pmhLs5RdkoANSpRzPlDao5o79eRHPwhHlasNZb6VSlQZbetHEbqPc9qDEPEn 2KWw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWTQPMH6Va9VnRheUhOFPnKaecXZRN1fEknB18LIdcpe/Nqk4a1 XcW7ZSu3cn7KKNS2FX6DWnpWDgTFMADY53kvfH4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxTthqfDrLBvrAvA7D97iHvZqp9XFNu5FtejYRPAIA9XfoTnRLVgZ4P96WxOL1keclEnW8ITmHXFVGsHq0YNl8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:b1c:: with SMTP id s28mr2866500oij.2.1581705684330; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:41:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200124115132.GD38254@ted.stsp.name> <20200124143515.GI38254@ted.stsp.name> <4e10c72c-5267-7dae-a937-a95d0086312d@apache.org> <20200212154618.GL19317@ted.stsp.name> <2538f508-272c-62cb-6e1c-effa285a472e@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <2538f508-272c-62cb-6e1c-effa285a472e@apache.org> From: Nathan Hartman Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:41:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: future of our "experimental" features To: Julian Foad Cc: dev@subversion.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000742c03059e8d8d55" --000000000000742c03059e8d8d55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julian Foad wrote: > > I did already make the experimental features hidden by default in "svn > help"; and revealed with "-v" option. > > We don't necessarily need more than that. > > If we do want to go further in hiding them, I suggest the next step is: > > * create a ~/subversion/config setting to opt-in to enabling > experimental features; > > * disable the experimental commands/options (shelving, viewspec, > wc-copy-mods) unless that flag is enabled. > > However, I can't think of any specific reason why that's really > important. Can anyone? Not me. I think we should show "production" features in 'svn help', not mention experimental ones, and those who know about the experimental features also (most likely) know about their rough edges. Which is what we're already doing. Nathan --000000000000742c03059e8d8d55 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julian Foad <julianfoad@apache.org> wrote:

I did already make the experimental features hidden by default in "svn=
help"; and revealed with "-v" option.

We don't necessarily need more than that.

If we do want to go further in hiding them, I suggest the next step is:

* create a ~/subversion/config setting to opt-in to enabling
experimental features;

* disable the experimental commands/options (shelving, viewspec,
wc-copy-mods) unless that flag is enabled.

However, I can't think of any specific reason why that's really important.=C2=A0 Can anyone?

Not me. I think= we should show "production" features in 'svn help', not = mention experimental ones, and those who know about the experimental featur= es also (most likely) know about their rough edges. Which is what we're= already doing.

Nathan

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