From dev-return-40248-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@subversion.apache.org Wed Feb 12 15:46:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 32826180657 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:46:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 17658 invoked by uid 500); 12 Feb 2020 15:46:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@subversion.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@subversion.apache.org Received: (qmail 17647 invoked by uid 99); 12 Feb 2020 15:46:37 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:46:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id ADA0C18138C for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.013 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.013 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[KAM_DMARC_STATUS=0.01, KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY=1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-he-de.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mlJRjWmgqBtd for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: None (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=78.47.87.163; helo=mx0.elegosoft.com; envelope-from=stsp@elego.de; receiver= Received: from mx0.elegosoft.com (mx0.elegosoft.com [78.47.87.163]) by mx1-he-de.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-he-de.apache.org) with ESMTP id C1B197E133 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx0.elegosoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDEB268328; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:46:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx0.elegosoft.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx0.elegosoft.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EI-pFw3Ekt8u; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:46:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from ted.stsp.name (ted.stsp.name [217.197.84.34]) by mx0.elegosoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BA7E62682EC; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:46:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (ted.stsp.name [local]) by ted.stsp.name (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 986c6f27; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:46:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:46:18 +0100 From: Stefan Sperling To: Julian Foad Cc: dev@subversion.apache.org Subject: Re: future of our "experimental" features Message-ID: <20200212154618.GL19317@ted.stsp.name> Mail-Followup-To: Julian Foad , dev@subversion.apache.org References: <20200124115132.GD38254@ted.stsp.name> <20200124143515.GI38254@ted.stsp.name> <4e10c72c-5267-7dae-a937-a95d0086312d@apache.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4e10c72c-5267-7dae-a937-a95d0086312d@apache.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.2 (2019-09-21) On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 03:08:35PM +0000, Julian Foad wrote: > In terms of whether it is visible by default to an users, I agree. In terms > of where the source code lives, I don't mind -- I would be equally happy if > it were on trunk and disabled by a compile time or run time feature flag. > > In particular, I think it is important to keep the visible behaviour > "stable" which implies I think we should stop exposing these experimental > features by default; and at the same time we don't want to make anything > more difficult to develop than necessary, so maybe we should not be too > eager to push things onto branches. OK, I agree. Keeping things on trunk and hiding them at compile-time is also less work than moving lots of code around. So it sounds like we have consensus on the following: * x-wc-copy-mods should simply be moved out of experimental status * shelving should be reverted to v1 or hidden at compile- or run-time * viewspec (in svn info) should be hidden at compile- or run-time Given the release target date for 1.14 (April) we should be creating a release branch within the next two weeks at the latest. Otherwise, we are likely going to miss the 4-week soak window on time for April. Is anyone able to perform the work necessary for our experimental features above? I do consider this topic a release blocker, so if it isn't dealt with soon then we would either have to delay 1.14 or decide to release with experimental features as-is.