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From Doug Robinson <>
Subject Re: Kidney blame's behaviour and edge cases
Date Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:10:49 GMT

I think that simply enabling M<N (where it is now an error) will create the
situation where the user makes a mistake, gets something they don't expect
and tries to interpret it based on their desire - leading to confusion.  I
believe M<N should still be an error.  A new option (--reverse ?) should be
required to make it clear that the user wants the reverse blame walk.

Thank you.


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Daniel Shahaf <> wrote:

> Definition: "kidney blame" == "blame -r N:M" with M<N.  Currently it is
> an error (raised by svn_client_blame5()).
> By and large, it should do exactly what 'blame -r M:N' does: walk the
> revisions from "before-the-colon revision" to "after-the-colon revision"
> and then print the contents of the "after the colon" revision, with each
> line annotated by the revnum of the "rightmost" (that is: nearest to the
> revnum on the right of the colon) revision within the range that added
> that line.  In other words, if
> (iota@4, kappa@1), (iota@3, kappa@2), (iota@2, kappa@3), (iota@1, kappa@4)
> are pairs of byte-for-byte-identical files, then 'blame -r 1:4 kappa'
> and 'blame -r 4:1 iota' will output the same thing.
> Currently, the non-kidney blame checks one revision before the start ---
> that is, 'blame -r M:N' actually calls svn_ra_get_file_revs2(start=M-1,
> end=N).  The purpose of this is to differentiate "lines added in rN"
> from "lines present since before rN".  That makes 'blame -r M:N'
> correspond to 'diff -r M-1:N' or 'diff -c M:N', in that it also shows
> changes made _by_ rM, not only _since_ rM.
> That behaviour cannot easily replicated for the -r N:M case since it's
> not possible to cheaply find the "next interesting revision" after rN,
> but in any case I think it shouldn't be: 'blame -r M:N' should not have
> automagically decremented M --- instead, if the user had wanted to see
> what lines were added in rM, as opposed to before it, the user should
> have specified M-1 as the start revision.  That way, 'blame -r M:N'
> would be consistent with 'diff -r M:N'.
> So I suggest that blame -r N:M not try to find the "next change after
> rN" (that's the analogous thing to what "decrement M" is in the '-r M:N'
> case).  That means -r M:N and -r N:M are assymetrical, and I propose we
> fix that by making -r M:N not decrement M --- which we can probably only
> do in 2.0.
> ---
> Another issue: what should 'blame -r 3:3' do?  Currently it is allowed,
> and prints '-' for lines added before r3 and '3' for lines added in r3.
> I am not sure whether that is intentional / by design, or just an
> accident of the fact that whoever added the 'end_rev < start_rev' check
> should have used the broader condition 'end_rev <= start_rev' instead.
> (See r7438 <->
> It seems to me it should ideally print '3' for every line, and the user
> should pass '-r 2:3' if he wants to distinguish "added in r3" from
> "added before r3".  It would be easy to preserve the current behaviour,
> though, of printing '-' rather than '2' (where '2' here is the youngest
> change to that line, for lines added before r3).
> ---
> Cheers,
> Daniel

Douglas B. Robinson | *Senior Product Manager*

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