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From Markus Schaber <>
Subject AW: AW: C++ thoughts for Berlin
Date Tue, 04 Jun 2013 11:16:00 GMT
Hi, Blair,

Von: Blair Zajac []
> On 06/02/2013 10:53 PM, Markus Schaber wrote:
> > Hi, Blair,
> > Von: Blair Zajac []
> >>> [Discussion whether to use (part of) C++ for SVN development]
> >>
> >> I agree it's not worth going to C++.  Where I'm coming from is a
> >> frustration on the number of times I've seen pool lifetime bugs get
> >> fixed and it would be great to be in a language where one doesn't
> >> need to worry about that, or as much.
> >
> > I fully understand your frustration. :-)
> >
> > C can be frustrating. But believe me, as I used to program C++ for my day
> job for almost five years, it is not the solution. Frustration just shifts
> from some problem areas to others, and memory management is not really better.
> I'm not sure where all the negativity for C++ memory comes from.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think memory management in C++ is worse than in pure C.

It just does not bring enough benefits compared to C to justify the transition of such a big
existing project like SVN, especially if you consider the broad range of (partially ancient)
platforms and compilers which need to be supported.

Well-designed Smart Pointers will actually solve a lot of problems of memory management, but
it is hard to find a fully portable solution which comes without side-effects. (Boost is bloaty,
C++ 11 not yet supported on most of the platforms, ...).

Additionally, all the public SVN interface, as well as some used libraries (APR) rely on the
current pool-based management. It would be hard to replace that while still remaining compatible.

For SVN 2.0, if C++ 11 is widespread enough by then, I'd not oppose going to C++, or even
to a completely different beast like Rust, Go or Python. :-)

Best regards

Markus Schaber

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