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From: Ivan Zhakov <ivan@apache.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:39:02 +0400
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 14:28,  <ivan@apache.org> wrote:
> Author: ivan
> Date: Tue Oct 11 10:28:56 2011
> New Revision: 1181689
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1181689&view=rev
> Log:
> Revert r1181630: Making significant changes of website that haven't
> discussed. I will post details on dev@s.a.o later.
>
I have reverted this change because I don't understand the goals. What
you are trying to achieve?

I have reverted without discussion because this change was immediately
propagated to the web-side. On the other hand, you haven't discussed
this change before the commit!

More particularly, you have removed the link to VisualSVN Server
saying it's not a Subversion binaries.

VisualSVN Server is used by several hundreds of thousands of users.
There is a fully functional free Edition. There is no need to register
on the publisher's site. Really, no need to provide street address and
postal index to obtain a premium Subversion server for free. Moreover,
downloading and installing VisualSVN Server you are not subscribing
for a weekly up sales letter. And there is a free technical support
for the free edition of VisualSVN Server.

Search google.com for "Subversion server Windows" and you'll see
VisualSVN Server on the first page. Note that this is a fair first
place.

So, what is the objective to remove the link to VisualSVN Server?

The other side is that you have actually left links to CollabNET
Subversion Edge and Wandisco UberSVN (see details below). It
interesting that both are the direct competitors of VisualSVN Server.
Seems to be a biased change, isn't it?

There is a simple way: let's totally remove the "Binary Packages" page
(as we done with the "Links" and "Support"). It will be not very
useful for users, but it will be really vendor neutral. And there will
be no of such discussions.

Have you even followed the links that are marked as "client only" by you?

The http://www.collab.net/downloads/subversion/ leads to the page with
the following downloads:
* CollabNet Subversion Command-Line Client v1.6.17 (for Windows)
* CollabNet Subversion Edge 2.0.1 (for Windows 32 bit)
* CollabNet Subversion Edge 2.0.1 (for Windows 64 bit)

Not a "client only".

The http://www.wandisco.com/subversion/download#windows leads to the
page dedicated to uberSVN.
[[
Free, easy to implement UI for Subversion which includes:
Everything you need to setup a Subversion server, including the latest
version of Subversion and Apache.
A very quick and easy setup wizard.
A social coding environment.
Easy to use administration console.
Basic Access Control.
]]

Yes, there is a link to command line client in the bottom of the page.
But not a "client only" page, for sure.

-- 
Ivan Zhakov
VisualSVN Team