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From Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <orwittm...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: Improving default Heading styles ergonomy
Date Wed, 28 Aug 2013 10:58:44 GMT
Hi,

On 27.08.2013 13:04, fred juan diaz wrote:
> Hi to all
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> LaTeX users often tell us that they have nearly "ready to use" styles.
> corresponding to average use. In fact it's true.
> Running soffice daily since the first free Sun Staroffice5.1 in 2000,
> and teaching it to French users and pupils from that year,
> i regret to admit that it's not the case for us, because of two reasons :
>
> 1. Our default heading styles never correspond to the most frequent needs.
> (Heading 2 and 3 have the same size, 4 and 5 too, 6 to 10 too ...)
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> 2. We are wobbly halfway between two logics :
>   the full inheritance and the full independence.
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> I explain :
> Some of our styles are proportional (Heading 1=115% and 4=85% to 10=75%)
> inheritance concerns here both font and size in %
>
> and others are fixed (Heading which is father, and Heading 1 and 2)
> inheritance concerns font but not size
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> you see the problem...you must deal with a Heading 3 which is 85% sized
> of Heading which is fixed 14 ... therefore without referring to Default size.
>
> Size inheritance choices are not clear, and who of us
> has ever needed font size proportionality in his daily works ?
> (How many times have we been obliged to click on [Standard]
>   when  we wanted to customize  Heading 1 ?)
>
> In conclusion I think we should have a real constructive adversarial
> to decide how to be closer to end-users needs.
>

I agree.
I am volunteering to implement the new defaults for Heading and 
Heading[1..10] once we have agreed on them.

Best regards, Oliver.

> I propose something simple to code, for example to let font inheritance everywhere,
> this is a very useful feature when we wish to try different fonts in order to see how
it looks.
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> But assuming that 90% of users use a 12pt default text style, shouldn't we consider
> fixing font sizes  Default = 12 ; Heading 1 = 16 ; Heading 2 = 14 ; Heading 3 = 13 ;
Heading 4 = 12 ;
> Heading 5 = 11 ; ...or whatever you want bold or not Italic or not after discussion.
>
> It would not be a difficult work, but the effect on end-users would be great
> and being able to use more often our default styles would save time to many people
> This is one dimension of quality.
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> Best regards
> Fredjd
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