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(Top posting, CC to dev, doc and l10n, not sure on which one it is better
to continue the discussion)

Moving the discussion to its own thread, see below for a copy of the
previous messages or better here:

http://markmail.org/message/x6wntz5nwefj7ko3

(just skip the first message that had a completely different purpose...)

The original thread shows two problems. I'll not talk about the first one
here (to not communicate what someone is doing, at the risk of waste the
efforts of someone else that it's working on the same task). The second
problem, the one considered here, is about how do we want to organize the
wiki.

Do we want to "clone", for example, the documentation section on all the
localized sites, just translating it? On Sun times that was the idea, with
sub sites ("portals") like

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DE/Documentation
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/FR/Documentation

etc looking almost the same on all languages.

AFAIK, right now the only of those sub sites updated recently is the French
one, though: several of those "portals" do not see activity since years.

I don't think that this "cloning" is possible or even desirable. Of course
an easy way to arrive to the same resources on the different languages *is*
desirable, and for this purpose a consolidated directory structure is
certainly useful, but if instead of /ES/Documentation we use /ES/Manuales I
cannot really see the problem.

Also, there is the problem that the content available on those old sites is
mainly outdated, build by a third party project and some(many)times with
the wrong license. Do we want to update that content or start almost from
scratch with the new user guide under Apache license, moving old content to
a "legacy" section?

Of course starting from scratch is more work, but updating documents with a
cocktail of licenses will be a problem too.

And note that starting from scratch does not mean trashing old content,
it's just saying "this is the old content, maybe it's still useful, but we
are working on the new one here".

I think this was briefly discussed before on the dev list (with no clear
output), but I cannot find the original thread now.

Regards
Ricardo


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
Date: 2013/6/1
Subject: Re: [UserGuide]My "roadmap"
To: OpenOffice Documentation <doc@openoffice.apache.org>


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 3:00 PM, RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2013/6/1 Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
>
> > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 2:23 PM, RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 2013/6/1 Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> > >
> > > > Is important to re-gain organization on the documentation project
> > > resources
> > > > like:
> > > > - ToDo List
> > > > - Wishlist
> > > > - Dashboard
> > > > - Help process
> > > >
> > > > This resources althought outdated are pretty helpful for new and
> > > > experienced contributors to organize the work going on.
> > > >
> > > > I generate a spanish version of the portal, but would need more than
> > just
> > > > cloning old information .
> > > >
> > > > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Documentation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Can you please use the ES mailing list to discuss whatever you want to
> do
> > > on the ES wiki FIRST of doing it? There is already a documentation
> > section
> > > and a "how to participate" section here
> > >
> > > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Manuales
> > > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/ES/Participar
> > >
> > > If you look carefully you'll see other people beside me that started
to
> > > work on the site several month ago. As a matter of fact, the Spanish
> user
> > > guide is more advanced than the English one (just see the macro
> > section)...
> > >
> > > Following discussions on the ES mailing list, the ES wiki was
> completely
> > > cleaned up and rebuilt almost from scratch last year.
> > >
> > >
> > This is not a ES related matter, but a localization convention on
working
> > and organizing languages on the Wiki. There is a PDL and Template for
> > languages, in order to use the different localizations of the projects
> and
> > the menu extensions labeled "Other languages".
> >
> > Documentation or l10n lists is the only propper channels I can think on
> > discussing this since is not only use by ES but the other languages.
> >
> > The content is also outdated on this project, not only on ES. The
> wishlist
> > hasnt been updated since 2009 and there is already a *NeedsRework*
> category
> > for the ToDo List.
> >
> >
> Only the French "documentation" page was updated recently, all the other
> localizations do not see work since several years so you are talking about
> a "convention" set on the old Sun times that nobody seems to follow now
and
> thus not necessarily valid today.
>
> If you want to discuss this or other "conventions" please start a new
> thread.
>
> But even if we accept a general "convention" (something that did not
happen
> yet) and even if we accept that this convention is not a matter for the ES
> list (!), to coordinate the work on the ES wiki IS something to discuss on
> the ES list. After all, we are talking about the work BY and FOR the
> community, and this obviously need proper communication.
>

This is exactly the porpouse of my email, to discuss these conventions, ES
is just a
n example
, but German and French are both following th
e
s
e
conventions
from the get go.
 Trying to solve this (or other matters) in a vacuum is a bit waste of
energy and resources IMO.


>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM, RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In a week or so I'll gain a bit of time to start writing again. I
> > already
> > > > set two new pages for the Draw guide (I'm still thinking about the
> best
> > > way
> > > > to fill them, but anyway...).
> > > >
> > > > I'll use my time half on the EN user guide and half on the ES user
> > guide
> > > so
> > > > progress might seem a bit weird at times... ;)
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Ricardo
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alexandro Colorado
> > > Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> > > http://es.openoffice.org
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> http://es.openoffice.org
>


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Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org

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