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-------- Original Message  --------
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org <dev@openoffice.apache.org>, Dennis
Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:45:32 -0400

> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <orcmid@apache.org> wrote:
>> I think if the "Apache" is made thicker by using Bold and a touch darker grey, it will work much better, at least as positioned in the Rottensteiner Stage 2 refinement.  It also gives "Apache" more (symbolic) weight without overpowering the "OpenOffice" part.
>>
>> I agree one wants to use the best of resampled PNG and regenerated SVG at the lower size.  Also, if the SVG has hints about the visually-intended size (at whatever pixel resolution), the fonts may be adjusted automatically to avoid excessive thinning at smaller presentation sizes.  Then there are the tricks needed when rasterization also becomes significant.
>>
> 
> Right.  And I hope that no one thinks that we're voting for pixels
> carved in marble.  We're voting on a design.  I'd expect ordinary
> technical adjustments to be made to suit the scale and medium of a
> particular use.  It should feel the same to a user, of course.  That's
> the advantage of having the vector source to a logo.  With the current
> logo it has been difficult to work with, since we only have the orb as
> a bitmap.
> 
> -Rob

Maybe I am missing something here (very possible), but I have the
current logo and a couple of variants in svg format. If required I would
be happy to upload them.

If someone would be kind enough to advise me how to create a public html
page ~bmcs (like https://people.apache.org/~arielch/), I will put all
the OOo & AOO related svg images I have collected there.

Dave

>>  - Dennis
>>
>> I don't have enough personal knowledge about SVG implementations and font hinting (although Adobe has information about it).  I do know that Knuth had to introduce anomorphic scaling into his fonts because the smaller ones would become visually too thin at the smaller point sizes if simply scaled geometrically.  It's a human vision thing.  He was producing images for production publishing systems and had a luxury of pixels; there was more involved that nudging pixel alignments.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.schenk@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 04:54 PM
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Logo selection for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Staring a [VOTE][DISCUSS] thread parallel to the [VOTE] thread.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>>>
>>>> My comments with some very preliminary testing: the VERY LIGHT gray
>>>> "Apache" in any form doesn't scale well going smaller.  The very thin
>>>> letters also don't scale well going smaller.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How did you scale the image?  By resizing the PNG file?  If so that
>>> probably doesn't give the optimal quality.
>>
>>
>> yes, this is what I did...
>>
>>
>>>  If we resize from the SVG
>>> source, and if the SVG references a vector font with "hinting", then
>>> it is possible that the text will be clearer at smaller sizes.  In
>>> theory that should help with the letter scaling.  Not sure about the
>>> light gray.
>>>
>>
>> Well maybe someone could  resize appropriately. Our current "web" logo is
>> only 200 x 100. I actually used 300 x ??? (kept the aspect ratio) and
>> things were not great on any of these with that very light gray
>> "Apache"...even slightly darker would help I think.
>>
>>
>>> -Rob


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