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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Contributing Existing Works [Was: Re: Can somebody
 please commit the update of the de-websites]
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:33:29 +0200
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]=20
> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: [DISCUSS] Contributing Existing Works [Was: Re: Can=20
> somebody please commit the update of the de-websites]
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>=20
> On Jun 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Peter Junge wrote:
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> > On 6/21/2013 9:59 PM, J=F6rg Schmidt wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>=20
> >>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> >>=20
> >>>> What is the problem?
> >>>>=20
> >>>=20
> >>> The CD is not from the Apache OpenOffice project.  It was=20
> not reviewed
> >>> and approved for release by the project.  It is a 3rd=20
> party product.
> >>> The website says it is from "Verein Freies Office=20
> Deutschland e.V..":
> >>=20
> >> No, this is absolutely *not* true!
> >>=20
> >> The "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V.." is NOT the=20
> creator of the PrOOo-box, but that's us (Detlef, Jan and I)=20
> three members of the AOO-Community in Germany.
> >>=20
> >> You can see my entry here:
> >>=20
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory
> +of+Volunteers
> >>=20
> >> and I can gladly Jan and Detlef ask to register there.
> >>=20
> >> The "Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V. is the *only*=20
> one who pays us the hosting of the Box (850 euros per year).
> >>=20
> >> *We would be pleased if the Apache paid. Apache wants to do that?*
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> > As far as I understand the Apache way: Apache products must=20
> be hosted by Apache infrastructure(*), but as the PrOOo-Box=20
> certainly contains also non-Apache products it cannot be=20
> hosted at Apache. Seems a Catch-22 to me. Does someone has=20
> any good idea how to fix this? It would certainly be a good=20
> thing to continue the PrOOo-Box within the AOO community.
> >=20
> > (*) Apache strictly requires to avoid community=20
> fragmentation like it had happened with OOo.
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> I would like to continue this discussion with a different=20
> approach. Let's discuss the process for PrOOo-Box to become=20
> part of the Apache OpenOffice product. There are several=20
> steps and it is worth exploring. Of course I must preface=20
> this with "I am not a lawyer." The following would need to be=20
> considered:
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> (1) License / IP Clearance. A review of the non-Apache=20
> products included in PrOOo-Box is necessary. If these are=20
> compatible then it is possible to include them in a=20
> "release". If not then they are other considerations which=20
> would depend on packaging and all kinds of legal and=20
> technical challenges.
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> (2) Copyright. If the three of you own the unique aspects=20
> then you may need to re-license these to AL2.0 - the Apache LIcense.
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> (3) Individual Contributor License Agreements (ICLA) help. If=20
> there is a large amount of unique IP then a Software Grant=20
> may be requested.
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> (4) The AOO PMC would have to accept the donation through a=20
> VOTE or LAZY CONSENSUS.
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> We can all learn something from the PrOOo-box team.

We may like to discuss the necessary steps, but please understand that =
we (the
PrOOo-Box-team) also need to advise us only if we want to do.

When Rob, for example, of "creative control" speaks, which is also a =
point to be
noted, too.


Even if we say yes, it will take long until we can start, I think not =
before 2014.

Please see the situation:
PrOOo the box it was in OOo, many years. e.g. here is a picture of =
PrOOo-Box from
2004:
http://www.openoffice.org/de/veranstaltungen/systems2004/uebergabe.jpg

(Yes, the PrOOo box was once a real box with brochure and CD/DVD. We =
hope that
this will be it in the future, but currently there is only an ISO and =
some of us
have some private DVD-R burned.)

But then most people involved have switched to LO and the PrOOo box =
would not
update for 2 years.
Since 1.5 years we have been back (with a new team) to work on it, but =
there is a
lot of work, as many things are to be updated. Similarly, there was =
again a lot of
work to revitalize the technical infrastructure and this process is not =
yet
completed.


Greetings,
J=F6rg


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