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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:52:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: Symphony code in AOO 4.0
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
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On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM, F C. Costero <fjcc.apache@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/20/2013 2:48 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.schenk@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Andrea
>>>> Pescetti<pescetti@apache.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK.  Here is a draft:
>>>>>> https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
>>>>>>
>>>>>> merging_symphony_allegro_non_**troppo<https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=merging_symphony_allegro_non_troppo>
>>>>>> Note that there are some suggested topics at the end, where I need
>>>>>> detail.  I welcome help from anyone who can help fill in the details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Highly interesting *and* entertaining!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! In the draft you ask for the screenshots showing enhancements: I
>>>>> think it's the same page by Shenfeng Liu we've already shared here,
>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_**
>>>>>
>>>>> Improvement_Since_AOO341<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_Improvement_Since_AOO341>
>>>>> (they are not all from Symphony, but the majority are, including all
>>>>> "OOXML Support" enhancements).
>>>>>
>>>>> Can the long bullet list be prioritized in some ways? Not all the list,
>>>>> but at least making sure that the first few items are the most relevant.
>>>>> I
>>>>> would put issues containing "crash" first, but maybe someone who has
>>>>> better
>>>>> knowledge of the impact can suggest other issues worth to be listed at
>>>>> the
>>>>> top.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it would be good to give category headings for this list.  I
>>>> understand the jsutification for length -- what, really, is being
>>>> incorporated from Symphony, but if length is an issue, maybe drop some.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK.  Look now.  I re-ordered the bugs a little to put some of the more
>>> interesting ones first.  I also added a header.  Since an article is
>>> coming out in a couple of days on Lwn.net claiming that we have done
>>> absolutely nothing with the Symphony code, there is value in giving
>>> the full list.  We should leave no doubt that work in this area has
>>> been ongoing.  While some were working on the more publicly visible
>>> AOO 3.4.1 work on a branch, a lot was happening in the trunk.  We
>>> haven't really spoken about that work before.  Now is a good time.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The title "Allegro non troppo" is a clever pun! The expression is
>>>>> clearly
>>>>> recognizable as international musical jargon and a pun on Symphony, but
>>>>> the
>>>>> usual meaning of "allegro" in Italian is "happy" which adds an
>>>>> interesting
>>>>> twist...
>>>>>
>>>>> Minor typo just before the bullet list: "the fix fro Symphony".
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>    Andrea.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally, although I realize that most blog readers will be non-technical,
>>>> I
>>>> think it might be valuable to at least broach the subject of SGA vs
>>>> licensing here in some way.  Even if a few sentences could be added
>>>> under:
>>>>
>>>> "IBM Lotus Symphony is a commercial derivative of OpenOffice which IBM
>>>> enhanced<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony_contribution>  for
>>>> their
>>>> customer and corporate use.    Last May IBM contributed the source code
>>>> for
>>>> Symphony to Apache, via a Software Grant Agreement (SGA). "
>>>>
>>>> to address this it would be great. What does it mean to contribute code
>>>> and
>>>> "use" it piecemeal vs re-licensing it , for example.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I added some additional text to explain what an SGA is.  I also
>>> corrected the typo that Andrea pointed out and add the link to the
>>> "before&  after" screen shots that he posted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I'm happy to make further changes or content additions. But I'm
>>> generally happy with.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is  a great blog! I'm sure our users and general audience will
>>>> appreciate it!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Aesop
>>
>> Rob,
>>   Thanks for working on this, it is very well done. I noticed a couple of
>> typos in the third movement:
>
> Great.  Thanks for the proof-read.  I made those changes.
>

And the blog post is now live:
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/merging_lotus_symphony_allegro_moderato

Thanks, all, for the review and suggestions.

-Rob

> -Rob
>
>> "A a modeless property picker" needs only one "A".
>> "So we're considering at several" drop the "at"
>> "and we're bring those into OpenOffice. " should be "and we're bringing
>> those into OpenOffice".
>> I'm also not sure "modeless" will be meaningful to regular users. Would
>> "continuously available" be better?
>> Regards,
>> Francis