Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA594DEE7 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 62298 invoked by uid 500); 1 Nov 2012 20:12:26 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62247 invoked by uid 500); 1 Nov 2012 20:12:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62239 invoked by uid 99); 1 Nov 2012 20:12:26 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:12:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO mail-vb0-f47.google.com) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username robweir, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:12:26 +0000 Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id ez10so3139107vbb.6 for ; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:12:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.186.147 with SMTP id fk19mr61155800vec.13.1351800745117; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.157.77 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:12:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5092D69C.1020802@gmail.com> References: <5092D69C.1020802@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:12:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Have you been contacted via private email and discouraged from participating on the OpenOffice project? From: Rob Weir To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:07 PM, J=C3=BCrgen Schmidt = wrote: > On 11/1/12 5:38 PM, jan iversen wrote: >> Please excuse me, I think I know the difference between hooligans and >> people who are just blowing hot air. >> >> To be honest, at the moment AOO does NOT have a great deal of momentum, = and >> have (I think) lost a quite a lot of reputation among developers. That i= s >> something we have to remedy, not by glittering folders, or smart marketi= ng, >> but by showing the developers, that we really care about their >> contributions. >> >> If I may say so, some developers might see "the apache way" as a >> limitation, which my experience during the last month somewhat confirms,= I >> think we really need to focus on "the community" instead of telling peop= le >> about legal issues, but about getting a product that still can out beat = the >> big (costly) products out there. Do NOT forget some state institutions i= n >> EU choose OpenOffice against other, but today I would not be so sure !!! >> >> Sorry for the outburst, but I am used to say what I think, and I really >> really want AOO to be the opensource project, as it was in the past. Let= s >> not forget why we are all here..... >> > > well spoken, I can only agree. > > I think it was important to make it public that strange things are going > on and that we don't support such a style. More important is that we > focus on our project and that we welcome everybody who is interested to > work on one of most important and biggest open source projects. > > Come and ask -> we the community will answer > Come and do something -> we the community will guide you and will help yo= u > Come and have fun with us -> the pay for your work/contribution is the > assurance that you help to make a product better that is used by > millions of people all over the world. More than 22 million downloads, > ~1 million per week. That is motivation from my point of view and we can > do better in the future ;-) > I like that last part! We should put that on the home page as a "news story" some time. As for me, I apologize for the distraction. I don't intend to make a big thing about this. My intention was only to make it publicly known that these things are happening. I think that likelihood of a public "outing", if this behavior is repeated, is a sufficient deterrent to repetition. If so, my note has served its purpose. -Rob > Let us have fun and let us continue our way. > > Juergen >