Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62BF9D606 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 33108 invoked by uid 500); 1 Nov 2012 16:39:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32718 invoked by uid 500); 1 Nov 2012 16:39:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 32653 invoked by uid 99); 1 Nov 2012 16:39:12 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:39:12 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of jancasacondor@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.219.47] (HELO mail-oa0-f47.google.com) (209.85.219.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:39:05 +0000 Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id h1so2682554oag.6 for ; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:38:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4ZUZuDRquiT9L3BPgdhOPvRK7AMST3NilMgGj297D+Q=; b=Er7GmjPtf/3NymgpcZ/ziL5f0AYMefpduMB+aAiNhPJ70/Xq4CArixhaHBl+MZ+4rU VjOFecFHptoMWOF5t+5EnK0Y8xxQOhyqF9KIXgRqTTC1Rq9/1I2lEIxQDTcyv8j2KutM 2Ek+OB4JL9O98yvN5evSg7Sgkb7mGP/yrqKpomaZX+Lmze4viN7AY3POlTOZGIGF/yg9 TsVuwINY01T9PkE4EmX7IWJkrvSfjyL3nRnP0vQcxxxTW0zllLRxkbnys7hTbFO0FMgJ NNNOu5d+wzrTvZ77Uk/31XG6CyT1TjslwWD1g+oC9BfsbAPt8qBteOX/m5e0MoPVVHs2 ZO6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.0.1 with SMTP id 1mr33385639oba.18.1351787925297; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.91.9 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:38:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 17:38:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Have you been contacted via private email and discouraged from participating on the OpenOffice project? From: jan iversen To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdf42195aec04cd71a7f4 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --f46d043bdf42195aec04cd71a7f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Please excuse me, I think I know the difference between hooligans and people who are just blowing hot air. To be honest, at the moment AOO does NOT have a great deal of momentum, and have (I think) lost a quite a lot of reputation among developers. That is something we have to remedy, not by glittering folders, or smart marketing, but by showing the developers, that we really care about their contributions. If I may say so, some developers might see "the apache way" as a limitation, which my experience during the last month somewhat confirms, I think we really need to focus on "the community" instead of telling people about legal issues, but about getting a product that still can out beat the big (costly) products out there. Do NOT forget some state institutions in EU choose OpenOffice against other, but today I would not be so sure !!! Sorry for the outburst, but I am used to say what I think, and I really really want AOO to be the opensource project, as it was in the past. Lets not forget why we are all here..... Jan On 1 November 2012 17:20, RGB ES wrote: > 2012/11/1 Rob Weir > > > I'm hearing that some project volunteers, especially new ones, are > > being contacted by certain external parties, who then try to > > discourage them from contributing to the Apache OpenOffice project. > > I'm hearing that similar notes have been sent out to those who > > submitted listings to our new Consultants Directory, also discouraging > > them from involvement in the project. > > > > This is my personal view on this matter, for what it is worth. > > > > I think we all would agree that such techniques are deplorable and > > bring disrepute to the individuals involved, and to the project that > > sanctions such techniques. If you recall we had a similar wave of > > such unprofessional behavior a few months ago, when certain external > > parties were contacting journalists who mentioned OpenOffice and > > telling them that it was no longer being developed and to link to a > > different product instead. > > > > I any case, if you are receiving such FUD yourself, I'd encourage you > > to simply post it to this mailing list, or to your blog, or some other > > public website. "Daylight is the best antiseptic" as they say. I am > > not a medical doctor, but I do believe that FUD exposed to public > > scrutiny loses its potency. But FUD ignored is FUD that spreads. > > > > There is and always will be people who do not understand what an opensource > project is and behave like hooligans "defending" their soccer team. I hope > they are just individuals and nothing more, but I fully agree to put each > case under daylight. > > Regards > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob > > > --f46d043bdf42195aec04cd71a7f4--