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Hi Jan,

We are all here as individuals with various and different amounts of =
time and energy. Many are employed to work on OpenOffice, but many like =
me are volunteers who have demanding day jobs. The key part of the =
Apache Way is that leadership comes from DOING and COMMUNICATING.

You are new here with lots of admirable energy and work! This is what =
acquires merit in an Apache project!

Since we ultimately can only control ourselves, do you have any =
suggestions about how we can more actively encourage participation?

Best Regards,
Dave

On Nov 1, 2012, at 9:38 AM, jan iversen wrote:

> Please excuse me, I think I know the difference between hooligans and
> people who are just blowing hot air.
>=20
> To be honest, at the moment AOO does NOT have a great deal of =
momentum, and
> have (I think) lost a quite a lot of reputation among developers. That =
is
> something we have to remedy, not by glittering folders, or smart =
marketing,
> but by showing the developers, that we really care about their
> contributions.
>=20
> If I may say so, some developers might see "the apache way" as a
> limitation, which my experience during the last month somewhat =
confirms, I
> think we really need to focus on "the community" instead of telling =
people
> about legal issues, but about getting a product that still can out =
beat the
> big (costly) products out there. Do NOT forget some state institutions =
in
> EU choose OpenOffice against other, but today I would not be so sure =
!!!
>=20
> Sorry for the outburst, but I am used to say what I think, and I =
really
> really want AOO to be the opensource project, as it was in the past. =
Lets
> not forget why we are all here.....
>=20
> Jan
>=20
> On 1 November 2012 17:20, RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>> 2012/11/1 Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
>>=20
>>> I'm hearing that some project volunteers, especially new ones, are
>>> being contacted by certain external parties, who then try to
>>> discourage them from contributing to the Apache OpenOffice project.
>>> I'm hearing that similar notes have been sent out to those who
>>> submitted listings to our new Consultants Directory, also =
discouraging
>>> them from involvement in the project.
>>>=20
>>> This is my personal view on this matter, for what it is worth.
>>>=20
>>> I think we all would agree that such techniques are deplorable and
>>> bring disrepute to the individuals involved, and to the project that
>>> sanctions such techniques.  If you recall we had a similar wave of
>>> such unprofessional behavior a few months ago, when certain external
>>> parties were contacting journalists who mentioned OpenOffice and
>>> telling them that it was no longer being developed and to link to a
>>> different product instead.
>>>=20
>>> I any case, if you are receiving such FUD yourself, I'd encourage =
you
>>> to simply post it to this mailing list, or to your blog, or some =
other
>>> public website.  "Daylight is the best antiseptic" as they say.  I =
am
>>> not a medical doctor, but I do believe that FUD exposed to public
>>> scrutiny loses its potency.   But FUD ignored is FUD that spreads.
>>>=20
>>=20
>> There is and always will be people who do not understand what an =
opensource
>> project is and behave like hooligans "defending" their soccer team. I =
hope
>> they are just individuals and nothing more, but I fully agree to put =
each
>> case under daylight.
>>=20
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>>=20
>>> -Rob
>>>=20
>>=20