Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 650D386A5 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 17:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6873 invoked by uid 500); 5 Sep 2011 17:26:26 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 6812 invoked by uid 500); 5 Sep 2011 17:26:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 6804 invoked by uid 99); 5 Sep 2011 17:26:25 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:26:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO mail-ey0-f173.google.com) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username robweir, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:26:25 +0000 Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so3798884eyb.18 for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:26:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.16.86 with SMTP id g62mr1344475eeg.128.1315243583290; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.188.15 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 10:26:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E64F9D4.7060303@ellisons.org.uk> References: <4E63E993.5000408@ellisons.org.uk> <4E64F9D4.7060303@ellisons.org.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 13:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project From: Rob Weir To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Terry Ellison wrot= e: > You criticise me for whipping out a r=C3=A9sum=C3=A9 then list off a far = longer one of > your own accomplishments. =C2=A0The main point that I draw from this rath= er > comprehensive list is that few if any are relevant to the running of an > end-user support organisation in 10 languages which is the scope of this > discussion. =C2=A0You might have run a forum. Big deal. =C2=A0You know ve= ry little We're discussing support forums within this Apache project. That is something which the PPMC must come to a consensus on. If you want to create a support forum outside of the Apache project then you do not need the approval of the PPMC. I don't see that outcome as at all tragic. We already have one independent forum. I see no reason why there cannot be two or more. I don't really have a strong opinion on that. The choice is entirely yours. I'd recommend consulting more with the other forum volunteers, and see if you can reach a consensus among yourselves on what you want to do. If the consensus is to move the forums into this Apache project, then the forum volunteers should write up a proposal, post it to ooo-dev, and then we can discuss and try to get consensus from the PPMC on the proposal. I'd be happy to review or comment on a draft of such a proposal, here, via private email or on the forums, if you want. But plowing ahead, with neither consensus among the forum admins, nor consensus in the PPMC, nor even a concrete proposal, this is not an realistic way of moving forward. My -1 is a veto on ramming this through without a concrete proposal that has been approved by the PPMC. I have substantive questions on how the forums would operate within an Apache project, and I've written these up. If there is eventually consensus from the forum volunteers to propose moving to Apache then I will be looking there for these questions to be addressed. -Rob