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Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 13:16:31 -0400
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Subject: Re: Legacy OOo list post stats
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
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On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> Interesting data.
>
> I think we should let the NL lists know about the English-language counte=
rparts on i.a.o, using the native language if possible, but I don't think w=
e should regard our en lists as substitutes.
>

Right.  I think we have two general approaches for NL lists:

1) A matrix of mailing lists, by language and function.  So
ooo-dev-fr, ooo-users-fr and eventually, ooo-doc-fr, ooo-translate-fr,
along with ooo-dev-jp, etc.  This matrix can be quite large and
partially explains why OOo ended up with over 300 lists.

2) Functionalist and NL lists but not matrixed.  So ooo-dev, ooo-doc,
ooo-private, etc. but then ooo-general-fr, ooo-general-de,
ooo-general-jp, etc.

The thing that recommends approach #2 is that we have seen how a
single list --- ooo-dev -- can handle 60 posts/day, so long as we are
sensitive to thread drift, using subject tags, not posting
unnecessarily, etc. So it should be possible to have the NL languages
on general lists without too much difficulty.  We're doing that in
English, right?

> The only safe way I know to do that would be to have a simple-English sta=
tement for all of them and then prepend a native language equivalent to eac=
h one posted. =C2=A0We can try Google translator unless we have someone her=
e who can do that better as an user of the native language.
>
> I also wouldn't post to any of those non-English lists until we can figur=
e out whether they have an administrator actually in attendance and posting=
 won't create more problems than it solves.
>

If we create language-specific general lists, that would solve the
problem right? The moderators of the general lists could be
responsible for contacting the relevant legacy OOo lists, and helping
them move over.  This could include sharing information on the other
project lists that are in English.

> =C2=A0- Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 09:41
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Legacy OOo list post stats
>
> To help prioritize the list migration efforts, I've collected numbers
> from the legacy OOo lists. =C2=A0Looking at 2011 posts, year to date, the=
se
> are the average posts/day for the most-used lists.
>
> I've arbitrarily cut-off the lost at lists having more than one post
> every other day. =C2=A0There are 332 lists overall that I could find, mos=
t
> of them getting little to no traffic. =C2=A0 To put these numbers in
> perspective note that our ooo-dev list averages 59 posts per day. So
> we know what that traffic feels like. =C2=A0 If we add up all of the top
> 100 OOo lists, excluding the Bugzilla notifications, they add up to 62
> posts/day average.
>
> So I think this argues strongly for list consolidation. =C2=A0Direct all
> user-related lists to ooo-users and project-related lists to ooo-dev.
>
> List Posts/day
> org.openoffice.allbugs =C2=A054.8
> org.openoffice.users =C2=A0 =C2=A09.0
> org.openoffice.de.users 7.9
> org.openoffice.de.dev =C2=A0 4.1
> org.openoffice.fr.users 3.6
> org.openoffice.it.utenti =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03.2
> org.openoffice.dev =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03.2
> org.openoffice.user-faq.authors 2.9
> org.openoffice.discuss =C2=A02.5
> org.openoffice.l10n.dev 1.6
> org.openoffice.dba.needsconfirm 1.3
> org.openoffice.es.discuss_es =C2=A0 =C2=A01.2
> org.openoffice.marketing.dev =C2=A0 =C2=A01.2
> org.openoffice.api.dev =C2=A01.1
> org.openoffice.ja.discuss =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0
> org.openoffice.releases 0.9
> org.openoffice.allcvs =C2=A0 0.9
> org.openoffice.qa.dev =C2=A0 0.9
> org.openoffice.es.dev =C2=A0 0.9
> org.openoffice.fi.users 0.9
> org.openoffice.distribution.dev 0.8
> org.openoffice.cws-announce =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0.8
> org.openoffice.br-pt.usuarios =C2=A0 0.7
> org.openoffice.nl.gebruikers =C2=A0 =C2=A00.7
> org.openoffice.es.users 0.7
> org.openoffice.it.localizzazione =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00.7
> org.openoffice.distribution.cdrom =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0.6
>
>