Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C69E79CE for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2011 17:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 50095 invoked by uid 500); 4 Sep 2011 17:44:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 49960 invoked by uid 500); 4 Sep 2011 17:44:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 49949 invoked by uid 99); 4 Sep 2011 17:44:58 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:44:58 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [94.136.40.61] (HELO mailex.mailcore.me) (94.136.40.61) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:44:50 +0000 Received: from host86-129-239-17.range86-129.btcentralplus.com ([86.129.239.17] helo=[192.168.1.69]) by mail11.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R0Gk9-0007Me-MB; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:44:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4E63B8FD.2080204@ellisons.org.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:44:29 +0100 From: Terry Ellison User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110805 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Shahaf CC: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, Rob Weir Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers References: <4E6361AE.3070907@ellisons.org.uk> <4E638B48.9020200@ellisons.org.uk> <4E63B0BB.8000209@ellisons.org.uk> <20110904171512.GA19301@daniel3.local> In-Reply-To: <20110904171512.GA19301@daniel3.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailcore-Auth: 8445677 X-Mailcore-Domain: 884398 On 04/09/11 18:15, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > ... > If the forums community doesn't want to become part of the ASF project > then why has the PPMC asked infra to migrate the forums to ASF hardware? > ... > Because those of us who are engaged on the project thought that it's the best thing to do, and want them to do this. But the volunteer community are still autonomous today. If you want someone to join your party, then the best way is to use rational arguments and gentle persuasion. Giving bald ultimatums to communities with other options usually achieves the direct opposite effect. So it doesn't seem a rational approach to me -- unless, of course, your primary object is really to shut down the service, and then it is rational.