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Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 13:56:52 -0400
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On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 10:36 -0700, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Being a member-based organization the ASF requires
> that all foundation activities be subject to member
> scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions).
> 
> I would be perfectly satisfied if the private forums
> are fully archived and made available to any ASF member on
> request, without undue delay.

Hi Joe,

I'm in the middle of drafting a few other messages - but I'll stop and
quickly comment here now - steps will be taken this afternoon to try and
accommodate the concerns of all parties here, ASF, AOOo PPMC and the
Volunteer group.

The ML will be kept fully abreast of these actions as they happen.

Just everyone, please, slow down for a moment and take a breath.

Sincerely,

Drew Jensen


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> 
> >________________________________
> >From: Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com>
> >To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 11:14 AM
> >Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
> >
> >On Sep 4, 2011 3:45 PM, "Rob Weir" <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
> >> that we should be doing in private.  Discussing such matters, even if
> >> strong opinions are raised, is the essence of transparency.  Remember,
> >> controversial is not the same as confidential.  In Apache projects we
> >> discuss non-confidential matters openly.
> >
> >... unless they are on the PPMC private list, when that royal "we" no longer
> >includes everyone here. I believe Terry and others are saying that the
> >(independent) forum community has a similar approach, with a private forum
> >for sensitive matters. I also believe that in the interests of that very
> >transparency you and others are invited to participate in that place as a
> >transitional activity.
> >
> >What exactly is the problem here?
> >
> >S.
> >
> >
> >