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Subject: RE: Apache Way community moderation rationale
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 07:58:03 -0700
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Correction: domain names are not "owned" either, even though the leases =
on them have property value and there is a market in them [;<).

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]=20
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 07:56
To: 'ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org'
Subject: RE: Apache Way community moderation rationale

Owning the domain name and owning the existing site are two different =
things.  Apache does not "own" the content on the current live site that =
is not part of the Oracle CLA.

I'm 100% behind Shane's view of how we could migrate in a gradual, =
transparent way that engages the impacted community (not the one defined =
as those people who are here on the podling already).

My only concern now is that we do not take steps that make that =
migration an option, however we conclude what the end game will look =
like.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]=20
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 07:48
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache Way community moderation rationale

OpenOffice.org is an Apache domain.  It will have Apache branding,
etc.  We can't pretend that site is at arm's length.

-Rob

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> I completely support the high-level migration road-map you sketch for =
artifacts and services currently in custody of the openoffice.org domain =
sites and not part of the Oracle SGA.
>
> In the final paragraph, though, perhaps you meant to say
>
> " Given the past history and the fact that this
> non-code content is not currently under an *apache.org* domain, it is
> possible to technically migrate a lot of stuff without having =
finalized
> the policy issues.  (Note: source code and items under apache.org
> domains are different, and should discuss policy issues sooner rather
> than later)."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 07:23
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Apache Way community moderation rationale
>
> [ ... ]
>
> ----
> NOTE: OOo is a huge project with a very diverse set of well-known
> services, and, like, a LOT of users.  To graduate to a top level =
project
> will require significant changes to how some of these services are
> provided in the future under any Apache marks or domain names.
>
> Given the scale and breadth of services, and the changes in community, =
I
> think it's appropriate to plan on plenty of time to make the complete
> migrations of these services.  Likewise, I believe it may be =
permissible
> to take over hosting some services in the technical sense under the
> openoffice.org domain - in the short term - that we might not normally
> consider as managed fully by the Apache Way yet.
>
> One way to think about services migration - to separate out policy
> dependencies from technical ones - is:
>
> - Ensure several PPMC members have root / admin / whatever level of
> access is required to give them oversight, so they can review behavior
> on the service. (first!)
>
> - Technically port the service to apache hardware (but not under an
> apache.org domain yet)
>
> - Apply branding updates to the service
>
> - Decide final policy issues for moderation, etc. for the service
>
> Does that make sense?  Given the past history and the fact that this
> non-code content is not currently under an openoffice.org domain, it =
is
> possible to technically migrate a lot of stuff without having =
finalized
> the policy issues.  (Note: source code and items under apache.org
> domains are different, and should discuss policy issues sooner rather
> than later)
>
> - Shane
>
>