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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
Date Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:05:30 GMT
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Joe Schaefer <> wrote:
> Being a member-based organization the ASF requires
> that all foundation activities be subject to member
> scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions).
> I would be perfectly satisfied if the private forums
> are fully archived and made available to any ASF member on
> request, without undue delay.

And to all PPMC members as well.


>>From: Simon Phipps <>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 11:14 AM
>>Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
>>On Sep 4, 2011 3:45 PM, "Rob Weir" <> wrote:
>>> I don't think discussions about how the project is run is something
>>> that we should be doing in private.  Discussing such matters, even if
>>> strong opinions are raised, is the essence of transparency.  Remember,
>>> controversial is not the same as confidential.  In Apache projects we
>>> discuss non-confidential matters openly.
>>... unless they are on the PPMC private list, when that royal "we" no longer
>>includes everyone here. I believe Terry and others are saying that the
>>(independent) forum community has a similar approach, with a private forum
>>for sensitive matters. I also believe that in the interests of that very
>>transparency you and others are invited to participate in that place as a
>>transitional activity.
>>What exactly is the problem here?

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