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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache project
Date Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:01:06 GMT

On Sep 6, 2011, at 8:29 AM, drew wrote:

> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 07:56 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> Christian,
>> What I find awkward around all of these discussions is that there are already several
Apache OOo PPMC members who were and are already administrators and moderators on the
forums, and not one of them stood up here, on ooo-dev, and said so.
> Hi Dennis,
> If I follow correctly, then I don't agree with that.

I don't either. You've identified yourselves several times.

> Terry, Zoltan, Khirano, Alexandro, Andreas, David, Ricardo, myself and I
> may have missed someone (apologies if I did) - are all members of the
> PPMC already if I'm not mistaken, we have all mentioned our involvement
> on the forums more then once I believe.
> Hagar (leads the global moderator group) has introduced himself, Cyril
> from the French forum did the same. 
> Haven't noticed anyone form the Chinese or Vietnamese forums, something
> that I've known needs attending to, or maybe I just missed it.

陈京东 <> was just mentioning that the Chinese forum doesn't
work and they want to help.

>> It boggles my mind how much withholding is going on.
> To be honest I keep hearing oversight and looking at the list and
> wondering, how much more oversight do they need - just about all the big
> hitters are already in the PPMC - perhaps I should of said it just that
> simply.

I think that the debating style used by some has delayed consensus.

We are here for discussion and often it seems that the tone is disagreement and argument.

I am comfortable with the fact that the several PPMC members who are also forum admins will
be able to provide enough oversight for the PPMC, and likely the Incubator PMC and Apache

Does one of you want to write a proposal?


> Thanks,
> //drew
> <snip>

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