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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
Date Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:29:02 GMT
I think that is wonderful history.  Thanks Terry.

It also makes me wonder whether we, here, have any right to claim any authority over those
forums than the folks there grant us, including any change to the terms of use that will occur
(once again).

I am reminded that the strongest partnership is one sustained by common interests and shared
commitment, and no penalty for dissolving the relationship.  

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Ellison [] 
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 09:54
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

On 04/09/11 17:22, Simon Phipps wrote:
> On Sep 4, 2011 5:14 PM, "Rob Weir"<>  wrote:
>> Another thing to note is that the existing forum volunteers do not
>> "own" the support forums.  They do not operate autonomously.
> Are you sure? I believe they do.
+1 to Simons view  -1 to Rob.

AFAIK, A Sun admin has logged onto this services maybe half-a-dozen 
times to install the base O/S and Coolstack years ago, and no "Oracle" 
Oracle-employed admin has ever done so.  Coolstack is years out of date 
for this reason.   I (assisted by Drew in the early days) do all of the 
root admin as well as run the Forums.

They have always been autonomous from the OOo project organisation 
hierarchy.  The initial decision to allow their creation in the first 
place was more of a Sun one than an OOo project one -- as the project 
didn't see the need to have a working User Community and Sun did and 
provided the box for us to run our service on, though in later years the 
project came to value the role that the forums have played.

So from day 1 the forums have always been autonomous.  And one key 
driver here was so that the community could have the freedom to 
up-sticks and take their knowledge elsewhere should the relationship 
break down -- our primary allegiance and service duty is to the end-user 
community, and not to a development project.  The last friction was over 
the whole issue of whether the forums should continue to support 
non-Oracle variants such as LibreOffice, which it did and still does 
against some then strong Oracle opinions.

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