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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
Date Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:29:02 GMT
They can move and take everything with them but the hardware, the domain name, and the trademark.

That's actually quite a lot.  I don't have it much better with the hosting service that now
hosts my public goodies.  (I have the domain name and the trademark.  I also have current
backups of everything and it is easy to move - that's why I use static pages.)

Of course, I have a lease on the domain name.  It is mine only within that limitation.

Not that there is not a separation cost and serious disruption.  But do we need to mention
this at all?

Normally, when someone wants me on their hardware and software, and to be my domain-name holder,
I receive a nice offer, not an offer I can't refuse.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [] 
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 11:24
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

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If you do not own the hardware, the domain name and the trademark,
then you are operating at the pleasure of those who do own these
things.  That might feel like autonomy, but that is illusory.  If you
want to see what autonomy looks like, look at

The thing to gain some appreciation of is that the unit of decision
making at Apache is the project.  There is a single group of project
committers and a single (P)PMC.  No one "owns" any service within the
project.  No one has exclusive freedom of action.  No one can act on
their own without risk of a veto.  We don't fragment and
compartmentalize the project into autonomous functions that are immune
for discussion, consensus building, vetos and votes from other project

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