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Unless you want to research how to make an installer for Windows and contri= bute that to Netbeans. Does this daemon block running Java code that you write? What if you write a command line tool that you launch with java -jar ? Does= that get blocked? Because that is basically how you would start NetBeans from a zip download. On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 20:03 Greenberg, Gary > wrote: Not JRE, Our company software certification program. From: Leo Donahue > Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 5:01 PM To: "Greenberg, Gary" > Cc: "users@netbeans.apache.org" > Subject: Re: Are installers planned for Netbeans 10+ On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 19:58 Greenberg, Gary > wrote: Visa is paranoid about security. I cannot run anything downloaded from the web unless it went through tech g= overnance approval and certification. There is a daemon on a system that enforces it. Certification group won=92t accept software without installer. I pushed NB10 through Tech Governance approval and after that was able to b= ypass certs Bypass certs? Do you mean certs in jre? by installing IDE in my home directory on Windows machine. I wasn=92t able to do it on Mac. From: Leo Donahue > Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 4:47 PM To: "Greenberg, Gary" > Cc: "users@netbeans.apache.org" > Subject: Re: Are installers planned for Netbeans 10+ On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 15:14 Greenberg, Gary > wrote: I certainly can unzip the file. Problem that due to company=92s security constraints I cannot run any downl= oaded application. I have to submit it for security assessment, but won=92t accept it without = installer. But the Netbeans zip is no different than a war fille. What are they afraid of? From: Geertjan Wielenga Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 10:15 AM To: "Greenberg, Gary" > Cc: "users@netbeans.apache.org" > Subject: Re: Are installers planned for Netbeans 10+ Yes, there=92s a PR for that. No JDK will be included and no JRE, since these are GPL licensed. Personally though I don=92t get why a developer, even a complete newbie, ca= n=92t unzip a zip file and create a shortcut. That said, yes, installer is = in the works. Gj On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, Greenberg, Gary > wrote: Is there are any plans to add installers for Mac (.dmg) and Windows (.msi) = into Netbeans distribution? --_000_SN6PR09MB36808032BCC3857160E1BE42AE730SN6PR09MB3680namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would be very interested to hear why they insist on a windows installer. =   What security advantages do they cite


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From: Leo Donahue <donahulf2@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, Mar 05, 2019, 5:34 PM
To: Greenberg, Gary <ggreenbe@visa.com>
Cc: users@netbeans.apache.org <users@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: [EXT] Re: Are installers planned for Netbeans 10= +

I feel your pain, but you currently have no options that = won't result in you violating your company policies.

Unless you want to research how to make an installer for = Windows and contribute that to Netbeans.  

Does this daemon block running Java code that you write?&= nbsp;

What if you write a command line tool that you launch wit= h java -jar ? Does that get blocked?

Because that is basically how you would start NetBeans fr= om a zip download.

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 20:03 Greenberg,= Gary <ggreenbe@visa.com> wr= ote:

Not JRE,

Our company software certification program.

 

Fro= m: Leo Donahue <donahu= lf2@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 5:01 PM
To: "Greenberg, Gary" <ggreenbe@visa.com>
Cc: "users@netbeans.apache.org" <user= s@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Are installers planned for Netbeans 10+

 

 <= /p>

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 19:58 Greenberg, Gary <ggreen= be@visa.com> wrote:

Visa is paranoid about security.

I cannot run anything downloaded from the web unless= it went through tech governance approval and certification.<= /p>

There is a daemon on a system that enforces it.

Certification group won=92t accept software without = installer.

I pushed NB10 through Tech Governance approval and a= fter that was able to bypass certs

Bypass certs?  

Do you mean certs in jre?

 

by installing IDE in my home directory on Windows ma= chine.
I wasn=92t able to do it on Mac.

 

Fro= m: Leo Donahue <donahu= lf2@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 4:47 PM
To: "Greenberg, Gary" <ggreenbe@visa.com>
Cc: "users@netbeans.apache.org" <user= s@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Are installers planned for Netbeans 10+

 

 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 15:14 Greenberg, Gary <ggree= nbe@visa.com> wrote:

I certainly can unzip the file.

Problem that due to company=92s security constraints= I cannot run any downloaded application.

I have to submit it for security assessment, but won= =92t accept it without installer.

 

But the Netbeans zip is no different than a war fille.  

 

What are they afraid of?

 

Fro= m: Geertjan Wielenga <gee= rtjan.wielenga@googlemail.com.INVALID>
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 10:15 AM
To: "Greenberg, Gary" <ggreenbe@visa.com>
Cc: "users@netbeans.apache.org" <user= s@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Are installers planned for Netbeans 10+

 

Yes, there=92s a PR for that.

 

No JDK will be included and no JRE, since these are = GPL licensed.

 

Personally though I don=92t get why a developer, eve= n a complete newbie, can=92t unzip a zip file and create a shortcut. That s= aid, yes, installer is in the works.

 

Gj

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, Greenberg, Gary <ggreenbe@visa.com&g= t; wrote:

Is there are any plans to add installers for Mac (.d= mg) and Windows (.msi) into Netbeans distribution?

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