From dev-return-7698-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Tue Jun 16 19:13:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id A9E41180621 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:13:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 79146 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jun 2020 19:13:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@mxnet.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@mxnet.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 79130 invoked by uid 99); 16 Jun 2020 19:13:45 -0000 Received: from ui-eu-02.ponee.io (HELO localhost) (116.202.110.96) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:13:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:13:44 -0000 Message-ID: References: From: Sheng Zha x-ponymail-sender: fd9da504b63c1736e52a84ae954da2a315f2f28a Subject: Re: Ownership of discuss.mxnet.io X-Mailer: LuaSocket 3.0-rc1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 To: x-ponymail-agent: PonyMail Composer/0.2 In-Reply-To: Hi Marco, As shared in another reply, I've set up an archive for all future posts on the forum. I can't get to the committer authorization item soon and if you want to help and need access from the forum, I'm happy to help grant you access. -sz On 2020/06/15 23:20:40, Marco de Abreu wrote: > Hello, > > Has there been any update on this matter? > > Best regards > Marco > > Marco de Abreu schrieb am Sa., 13. Juni 2020, > 00:39: > > > Thanks for elaborating! > > > > You are right, there's no requirement to host on ASF infrastructure. I was > > just thinking about what happens when that funding is cut or when there's > > an issue. What's the strategy to ensure no data loss in case of priority > > shift or defunding from Amazon? Opposed to the CI which is fully codified > > and under version control, we as PMC have no means to recover from a > > disaster in case of Discourse. > > > > The mxnet.io domain is not under control of the ASF. If we say that a > > user facing platform is managed and endorsed by the PPMC, we should make it > > available under the ASF domain system to further represent the official > > affiliation. Also, it removes a weak link in the chain - e.g. the case when > > the mxnet.io domain ran out and broke quite a bit of stuff. Since the ASF > > offers subdomains for projects, I don't see any reason why not to use them. > > > > Could you open a ticket with INFRA to check what authentication options > > they are offering? I couldn't find any info on the website. > > > > -Marco > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:24 AM Sheng Zha wrote: > > > >> > Could you elaborate about the hosting of the forum? Is there the > >> > possibility to move it to some ASF-managed webhost (I'm not sure about > >> the > >> > complexity of hosting Discourse)? > >> > >> The website is currently a subscribed hosted service provided by > >> discourse, donated by Amazon. It is possible to host it ourselves but it > >> would incur additional operational cost. In addition, I'm not aware of a > >> requirement to have it on ASF infrastructure, given that it's only for > >> answering user questions and we don't conduct official Apache MXNet > >> businesses there. > >> > >> > Also, I'd suggest to make an Apache managed subdomain the main domain > >> (e.g. > >> > https://discuss.mxnet.apache.org/ ). The > >> > existing domain could be a redirect. > >> > >> I don't see a benefit of doing that, nor am I aware of a requirement for > >> it. > >> > >> > Additionally, can we hook it up to the Apache IDP to allow committers > >> and > >> > pmc members to be automatically authorized? > >> > >> This sounds like a good idea though I'm not sure how to proceed. If > >> someone knows how to proceed I'm happy to help grant necessary access to it. > >> > >> -sz > >> > >> > >> On 2020/06/12 22:07:47, Marco de Abreu wrote: > >> > Hi Sheng, > >> > > >> > thanks for the quick response. > >> > > >> > Could you elaborate about the hosting of the forum? Is there the > >> > possibility to move it to some ASF-managed webhost (I'm not sure about > >> the > >> > complexity of hosting Discourse)? > >> > > >> > Also, I'd suggest to make an Apache managed subdomain the main domain > >> (e.g. > >> > https://discuss.mxnet.apache.org/ ). The > >> > existing domain could be a redirect. > >> > > >> > Additionally, can we hook it up to the Apache IDP to allow committers > >> and > >> > pmc members to be automatically authorized? > >> > > >> > Best regards > >> > Marco > >> > > >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:24 PM Sheng Zha wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hi Marco, > >> > > > >> > > I'm an admin of that website along with a couple of other PPMC > >> members. > >> > > This forum has been around for some time and has been helpful in > >> connecting > >> > > users of mxnet to the developer community. I think it's in the best > >> > > interest of this community to consider this under PPMC control for > >> better > >> > > discoverability under the mxnet domain name. I'm happy to grant you > >> admin > >> > > access if you or any other PPMC members need it. If you feel > >> otherwise, > >> > > feel free to propose how you suggest we proceed. > >> > > > >> > > -sz > >> > > > >> > > On 2020/06/12 21:07:28, Marco de Abreu wrote: > >> > > > Hi everyone, > >> > > > > >> > > > Due to a PR [1] I had a closer look at discuss.mxnet.io which is a > >> > > forum to > >> > > > discuss about MXNet. It's a very helpful platform and provides great > >> > > > assistance for the community. > >> > > > > >> > > > When I looked into the terms of services [2] though, I noticed that > >> the > >> > > ASF > >> > > > and MXNet ppmc are mentioned as owners. > >> > > > > >> > > > From my understanding, that forum and the domain are not managed by > >> the > >> > > ASF > >> > > > or the mxnet ppmc. Thus, that statement does not seem correct and is > >> > > rather > >> > > > a trademark infringement. My understanding is that the platform is > >> > > operated > >> > > > by a third party as a community service towards MXNet. Thus, I > >> think it's > >> > > > important to properly express who's responsible for that platform. > >> > > > > >> > > > If somebody has any knowledge about the owner of that forum, I'd > >> > > appreciate > >> > > > if they could give them a heads up for this thread. > >> > > > > >> > > > Best regards > >> > > > Marco > >> > > > > >> > > > [1]: https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/18553/files > >> > > > [2]: https://discuss.mxnet.io/tos > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >