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From Sheng Zha <zhash...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Ownership of discuss.mxnet.io
Date Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:13:44 GMT
Hi Marco,

As shared in another reply, I've set up an archive for all future posts on the forum. I can't
get to the committer authorization item soon and if you want to help and need access from
the forum, I'm happy to help grant you access.

-sz

On 2020/06/15 23:20:40, Marco de Abreu <marcoabreu@apache.org> wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> Has there been any update on this matter?
> 
> Best regards
> Marco
> 
> Marco de Abreu <marco.g.abreu@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 13. Juni 2020,
> 00:39:
> 
> > Thanks for elaborating!
> >
> > You are right, there's no requirement to host on ASF infrastructure. I was
> > just thinking about what happens when that funding is cut or when there's
> > an issue. What's the strategy to ensure no data loss in case of priority
> > shift or defunding from Amazon? Opposed to the CI which is fully codified
> > and under version control, we as PMC have no means to recover from a
> > disaster in case of Discourse.
> >
> > The mxnet.io domain is not under control of the ASF. If we say that a
> > user facing platform is managed and endorsed by the PPMC, we should make it
> > available under the ASF domain system to further represent the official
> > affiliation. Also, it removes a weak link in the chain - e.g. the case when
> > the mxnet.io domain ran out and broke quite a bit of stuff. Since the ASF
> > offers subdomains for projects, I don't see any reason why not to use them.
> >
> > Could you open a ticket with INFRA to check what authentication options
> > they are offering? I couldn't find any info on the website.
> >
> > -Marco
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:24 AM Sheng Zha <zhasheng@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> > Could you elaborate about the hosting of the forum? Is there the
> >> > possibility to move it to some ASF-managed webhost (I'm not sure about
> >> the
> >> > complexity of hosting Discourse)?
> >>
> >> The website is currently a subscribed hosted service provided by
> >> discourse, donated by Amazon. It is possible to host it ourselves but it
> >> would incur additional operational cost. In addition, I'm not aware of a
> >> requirement to have it on ASF infrastructure, given that it's only for
> >> answering user questions and we don't conduct official Apache MXNet
> >> businesses there.
> >>
> >> > Also, I'd suggest to make an Apache managed subdomain the main domain
> >> (e.g.
> >> > https://discuss.mxnet.apache.org/ <https://mxnet.apache.org/>). The
> >> > existing domain could be a redirect.
> >>
> >> I don't see a benefit of doing that, nor am I aware of a requirement for
> >> it.
> >>
> >> > Additionally, can we hook it up to the Apache IDP to allow committers
> >> and
> >> > pmc members to be automatically authorized?
> >>
> >> This sounds like a good idea though I'm not sure how to proceed. If
> >> someone knows how to proceed I'm happy to help grant necessary access to it.
> >>
> >> -sz
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2020/06/12 22:07:47, Marco de Abreu <marco.g.abreu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Sheng,
> >> >
> >> > thanks for the quick response.
> >> >
> >> > Could you elaborate about the hosting of the forum? Is there the
> >> > possibility to move it to some ASF-managed webhost (I'm not sure about
> >> the
> >> > complexity of hosting Discourse)?
> >> >
> >> > Also, I'd suggest to make an Apache managed subdomain the main domain
> >> (e.g.
> >> > https://discuss.mxnet.apache.org/ <https://mxnet.apache.org/>). The
> >> > existing domain could be a redirect.
> >> >
> >> > Additionally, can we hook it up to the Apache IDP to allow committers
> >> and
> >> > pmc members to be automatically authorized?
> >> >
> >> > Best regards
> >> > Marco
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:24 PM Sheng Zha <zhasheng@apache.org>
wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Marco,
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm an admin of that website along with a couple of other PPMC
> >> members.
> >> > > This forum has been around for some time and has been helpful in
> >> connecting
> >> > > users of mxnet to the developer community. I think it's in the best
> >> > > interest of this community to consider this under PPMC control for
> >> better
> >> > > discoverability under the mxnet domain name. I'm happy to grant you
> >> admin
> >> > > access if you or any other PPMC members need it. If you feel
> >> otherwise,
> >> > > feel free to propose how you suggest we proceed.
> >> > >
> >> > > -sz
> >> > >
> >> > > On 2020/06/12 21:07:28, Marco de Abreu <marcoabreu@apache.org>
wrote:
> >> > > > Hi everyone,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Due to a PR [1] I had a closer look at discuss.mxnet.io which
is a
> >> > > forum to
> >> > > > discuss about MXNet. It's a very helpful platform and provides
great
> >> > > > assistance for the community.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > When I looked into the terms of services [2] though, I noticed
that
> >> the
> >> > > ASF
> >> > > > and MXNet ppmc are mentioned as owners.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > From my understanding, that forum and the domain are not managed
by
> >> the
> >> > > ASF
> >> > > > or the mxnet ppmc. Thus, that statement does not seem correct
and is
> >> > > rather
> >> > > > a trademark infringement. My understanding is that the platform
is
> >> > > operated
> >> > > > by a third party as a community service towards MXNet. Thus,
I
> >> think it's
> >> > > > important to properly express who's responsible for that platform.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If somebody has any knowledge about the owner of that forum,
I'd
> >> > > appreciate
> >> > > > if they could give them a heads up for this thread.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best regards
> >> > > > Marco
> >> > > >
> >> > > > [1]: https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/18553/files
> >> > > > [2]: https://discuss.mxnet.io/tos
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> 

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