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From Sheng Zha <zhash...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Ownership of discuss.mxnet.io
Date Tue, 16 Jun 2020 04:43:10 GMT
To address the data loss concern, I'm setting up an archive for all future posts on discuss.mxnet.io
to the new archive list [1]. It will take me a while before I get time to work on the rest.

-sz

[1] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?discuss-archive@mxnet.apache.org

On 2020/06/12 22:39:10, Marco de Abreu <marco.g.abreu@gmail.com> wrote: 
> Thanks for elaborating!
> 
> You are right, there's no requirement to host on ASF infrastructure. I was
> just thinking about what happens when that funding is cut or when there's
> an issue. What's the strategy to ensure no data loss in case of priority
> shift or defunding from Amazon? Opposed to the CI which is fully codified
> and under version control, we as PMC have no means to recover from a
> disaster in case of Discourse.
> 
> The mxnet.io domain is not under control of the ASF. If we say that a user
> facing platform is managed and endorsed by the PPMC, we should make it
> available under the ASF domain system to further represent the official
> affiliation. Also, it removes a weak link in the chain - e.g. the case when
> the mxnet.io domain ran out and broke quite a bit of stuff. Since the ASF
> offers subdomains for projects, I don't see any reason why not to use them.
> 
> Could you open a ticket with INFRA to check what authentication options
> they are offering? I couldn't find any info on the website.
> 
> -Marco
> 
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 12:24 AM Sheng Zha <zhasheng@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > > Could you elaborate about the hosting of the forum? Is there the
> > > possibility to move it to some ASF-managed webhost (I'm not sure about
> > the
> > > complexity of hosting Discourse)?
> >
> > The website is currently a subscribed hosted service provided by
> > discourse, donated by Amazon. It is possible to host it ourselves but it
> > would incur additional operational cost. In addition, I'm not aware of a
> > requirement to have it on ASF infrastructure, given that it's only for
> > answering user questions and we don't conduct official Apache MXNet
> > businesses there.
> >
> > > Also, I'd suggest to make an Apache managed subdomain the main domain
> > (e.g.
> > > https://discuss.mxnet.apache.org/ <https://mxnet.apache.org/>). The
> > > existing domain could be a redirect.
> >
> > I don't see a benefit of doing that, nor am I aware of a requirement for
> > it.
> >
> > > Additionally, can we hook it up to the Apache IDP to allow committers and
> > > pmc members to be automatically authorized?
> >
> > This sounds like a good idea though I'm not sure how to proceed. If
> > someone knows how to proceed I'm happy to help grant necessary access to it.
> >
> > -sz
> >
> >
> > On 2020/06/12 22:07:47, Marco de Abreu <marco.g.abreu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Sheng,
> > >
> > > thanks for the quick response.
> > >
> > > Could you elaborate about the hosting of the forum? Is there the
> > > possibility to move it to some ASF-managed webhost (I'm not sure about
> > the
> > > complexity of hosting Discourse)?
> > >
> > > Also, I'd suggest to make an Apache managed subdomain the main domain
> > (e.g.
> > > https://discuss.mxnet.apache.org/ <https://mxnet.apache.org/>). The
> > > existing domain could be a redirect.
> > >
> > > Additionally, can we hook it up to the Apache IDP to allow committers and
> > > pmc members to be automatically authorized?
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Marco
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:24 PM Sheng Zha <zhasheng@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Marco,
> > > >
> > > > I'm an admin of that website along with a couple of other PPMC members.
> > > > This forum has been around for some time and has been helpful in
> > connecting
> > > > users of mxnet to the developer community. I think it's in the best
> > > > interest of this community to consider this under PPMC control for
> > better
> > > > discoverability under the mxnet domain name. I'm happy to grant you
> > admin
> > > > access if you or any other PPMC members need it. If you feel otherwise,
> > > > feel free to propose how you suggest we proceed.
> > > >
> > > > -sz
> > > >
> > > > On 2020/06/12 21:07:28, Marco de Abreu <marcoabreu@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > Due to a PR [1] I had a closer look at discuss.mxnet.io which is
a
> > > > forum to
> > > > > discuss about MXNet. It's a very helpful platform and provides great
> > > > > assistance for the community.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I looked into the terms of services [2] though, I noticed that
> > the
> > > > ASF
> > > > > and MXNet ppmc are mentioned as owners.
> > > > >
> > > > > From my understanding, that forum and the domain are not managed
by
> > the
> > > > ASF
> > > > > or the mxnet ppmc. Thus, that statement does not seem correct and
is
> > > > rather
> > > > > a trademark infringement. My understanding is that the platform is
> > > > operated
> > > > > by a third party as a community service towards MXNet. Thus, I think
> > it's
> > > > > important to properly express who's responsible for that platform.
> > > > >
> > > > > If somebody has any knowledge about the owner of that forum, I'd
> > > > appreciate
> > > > > if they could give them a heads up for this thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > Marco
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]: https://github.com/apache/incubator-mxnet/pull/18553/files
> > > > > [2]: https://discuss.mxnet.io/tos
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 

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