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Official answer: "When it's ready." Beta 3 is set to roll next week. My guess is that the final release will be in September. More importantly, I highly doubt any changes between now and release would affect MADlib. -- Jim Nasby, Data Architect, Blue Treble Consulting, Austin TX Experts in Analytics, Data Architecture and PostgreSQL Data in Trouble? Get it in Treble! http://BlueTreble.com 855-TREBLE2 (855-873-2532) mobile: 512-569-9461