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From "Matthias J. Sax (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (KAFKA-4113) Allow KTable bootstrap
Date Thu, 01 Sep 2016 19:08:22 GMT

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Matthias J. Sax commented on KAFKA-4113:
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Two things to add. (1) prioritizing smaller timestamps in processing is "best effort" and
thus only a weak guarantee. (2) This feature is useful if you have a more "static table" that
you need to fully populate on *very first Streams application startup* -- this table might
get an update every few weeks, but the "current content" of the table must be fully available
because if I get a first KStream record, I need to enrich it via a join to the KTable and
if the KTable record could be missing, the result would be wrong. (Assume you know that there
will be a matching KTable record for every KStreams record). Thus, we need to have a way to
_guarantee_ that the KTable is first populated completely. Our current "best effort approach"
would start to process all streams from the beginning (even if it would prioritize KTable
and catch up eventually). However, the first KStreams records would be processed incorrectly,
as no matching KTable record might be found, and thus the KStream record gets dropped on inner-join
(or has missing right-hand side on left-join an is thus corrupted).

> Allow KTable bootstrap
> ----------------------
>
>                 Key: KAFKA-4113
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-4113
>             Project: Kafka
>          Issue Type: Sub-task
>          Components: streams
>            Reporter: Matthias J. Sax
>            Assignee: Guozhang Wang
>
> On the mailing list, there are multiple request about the possibility to "fully populate"
a KTable before actual stream processing start.
> Even if it is somewhat difficult to define, when the initial populating phase should
end, there are multiple possibilities:
> The main idea is, that there is a rarely updated topic that contains the data. Only after
this topic got read completely and the KTable is ready, the application should start processing.
This would indicate, that on startup, the current partition sizes must be fetched and stored,
and after KTable got populated up to those offsets, stream processing can start.
> Other discussed ideas are:
> 1) an initial fixed time period for populating
> (it might be hard for a user to estimate the correct value)
> 2) an "idle" period, ie, if no update to a KTable for a certain time is
> done, we consider it as populated
> 3) a timestamp cut off point, ie, all records with an older timestamp
> belong to the initial populating phase
> The API change is not decided yet, and the API desing is part of this JIRA.
> One suggestion (for option (4)) was:
> {noformat}
> KTable table = builder.table("topic", 1000); // populate the table without reading any
other topics until see one record with timestamp 1000.
> {noformat}



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