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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:43:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Joan Touzet <wohali@apache.org>
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aur=C3=A9lien B=C3=A9nel" <aurelien.benel@utt.fr>
> I=E2=80=99m just a =C2=AB user =C2=BB=E2=80=A6 a very dedicated and passi=
onated user (I=E2=80=99m in
> the top 10% on StackOverflow about CouchDB and I taught CouchDB to
> more than 150 french software engineers), but a user. That=E2=80=99s why =
I
> never subscribed to the =C2=AB dev =C2=BB  mailing list (or for a very sh=
ort
> period of time). I now understand that I should have, but it=E2=80=99s to=
o
> late.

At Apache, all people with an opinion are entitled to express that
opinion and, where appropriate, have it considered by the community.

Naturally we'd like to have consensus on all decisions we make, but
ultimately some more controversial decisions have to be voted upon.
Only acknowledged and accredited project committers can vote in those
decisions. The policy for this is summarized in our project bylaws at

  https://couchdb.apache.org/bylaws.html

and clear guidelines are presented.

Of course, it is best for us to listen to all users who use the
software. But many of us who develop and manage Apache CouchDB with
commercial interest have more experience with CouchDB than you do, have
dealt with orders of magnitude more users and developers than you have,
and thus have a more intimate understanding of the poor design decisions
made nearly 10 years ago now.=20

10 years is an epoch, given the advancement of technology. The project
needs to evolve, not just because the world has moved on from CGI-style
web server implementations, but because we have found more fruitful
design choices that play to our strengths. Ultimately, this means some
API endpoints will be deprecated, and some new endpoints will be
introduced - just like other long-lived projects that have had to make
similar decisions. That exact list will be hammered out on the dev@
mailing list over the next several months and will be widely
communicated.

> My frustration is as high as has been my passion for six years for
> this incredibly interesting project.
> I respect the board decisions but now I will have a hard time finding
> money (which is sparse in academic research) to move all of our
> software to a different technology stack and arguments to explain to
> all of my collaborators that I bet on a technology stack that got
> rapidly deprecated.

CouchDB 1.x and 2.x will forever support everything you see in the API
today, though deprecation announcements may be forthcoming on certain
calls for the 3.x and future releases. I'm positive there will be people
continuing to use 1.x/2.x for another 10 years; there is absolutely no
reason to migrate off of those versions if your needs are satisfied
there. As examples, I still know people using perl 4, python 2, Oracle
10.x, Linux 2.x. The community will continue to embrace and support
older CouchDB versions as long as it is practical to do so.

> Thank you for your understanding.

And you for yours.

-Joan