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Subject: Re: Getting people to test CouchDB 2.0 alpha releases
From: Clemens Stolle <clemens.stolle@fastmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <B76DBBA2-A273-40E2-9E27-EE2ABE6B2435@apache.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:41:58 +0100
Cc: dev@couchdb.apache.org
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Thanks for your work on this Jan. :)

Just a few ideas:

Maybe we can turn the Google Doc into a simple friendly webpage? Might =
be more appealing and professional=E2=84=A2 for people.
Also, you=E2=80=99re right, alpha versions are always kind of scary for =
most in my experience.

I=E2=80=99ve gotten some reports about issues with the 2.0-dev docker =
image, some are clearly problems with effing docker others are more on =
the side of CouchDB:

Startup issues, most likely something wrong with the container config: =
https://github.com/klaemo/docker-couchdb/issues/41
Config disabled in Fauxton, how to enable CORS: =
https://github.com/klaemo/docker-couchdb/issues/42
Unrelated but interesting, admin user through env vars: =
https://github.com/klaemo/docker-couchdb/issues/43

A public cluster would be lovely. Easy to do with DigitalOcean. Point a =
domain at it (like testing.couchdb.apache.org) and enable CORS so people =
can play with it.

Also, it seems as if the cool kids use Slack or Discord to create new =
communication channels for OSS communities. Maybe that=E2=80=99s =
something to look into.

Concerning client libraries: PouchDB tests against 1.6.1 and 2.0-dev =
with Travis using our Docker images. So that=E2=80=99s cool I think :)

Have a nice day,
Clemens

> Am 14.01.2016 um 12:45 schrieb Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org>:
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> Dear marketing team (cc dev@),
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> over the holiday break I made first build for CouchDB 2.0 available =
and have written up a document on how to get started with testing it at =
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BtndYr-0KDQTqBSLVdJoR_8C5ObYjT1RBo_Qyh=
5ykdQ/edit# and I=E2=80=99ve also used Twitter to spread the word, and =
we=E2=80=99ve had this in last week=E2=80=99s weekly news.
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> But we=E2=80=99re not seeing a lot of people giving these builds a =
spin. I=E2=80=99m not 100% on what to expect, but I would have expected =
a *little* more buzz around this :)
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> Can you help brainstorm a few ideas on how to get this in front of =
more people, and how to get them to try out CouchDB 2.0 alpha?
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> These things are circling in my back of the head:
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> - Maybe the doc is too dense and not fun enough, or to badly written, =
please suggest any edits that you may think help (or scrap it and make =
an alternative, if you think it can=E2=80=99t be saved :)
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> - Some people reply with =E2=80=9Cdo you know when it is out of alpha =
and in beta?=E2=80=9D, because they think alpha is to early to get into =
the game. I usually reply that we go beta as soon as they reported all =
the issues they found, but it didn=E2=80=99t help yet ;) =E2=80=94 How =
do we convince those who *would* help, to help earlier?
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> - Can we simplify the getting started experience?
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> - Should we host a public cluster somewhere, that people can play =
with?
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> - How do we get client library authors to test with CouchDB 2.0? (can =
we come up with a .travis.yml file that they can maybe use in a 2.0 =
branch of their tree (maybe PouchDB has something there already))
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> - Can we simplify the procedure of how to report issues?
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> - Can we put a feedback form into Fauxton? (maybe an embedded Google =
Form is enough?)
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> - Can we put a web-chat pane into Fauxton, so people get a quick way =
to get into our IRC channel?
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> - Can we track installations somehow, e.g. along the lines of =E2=80=9Cs=
end anonymous data to the developers=E2=80=9D where we can track the =
operating system / cluster config / maybe data sizes etc? (all opt-in of =
course).
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> - Can we make this a mmopg? Maybe we draw up a huge matrix of test =
configurations that we=E2=80=99d like to see tested, and people get =
points for filling it out, and we can crown the =
top-alpha-tester-champion or something?
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> - Something similar for qualified bug reports in JIRA?
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> - Are there publications we should be talking to?
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> - INSERT YOUR IDEA HERE
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> * * *
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> For all ideas we should consider the effort to set them up and =
maintain continuously.
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> Let=E2=80=99s do this! :)
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> Best
> Jan
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