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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:55:37 +0200
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] WHY/HOW/WHAT
From: Harald Kisch <haraldkisch@gmail.com>
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Slogan #3: "kickass database for the future"

+1

harald

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Johs Ensby <johs@b2w.com> wrote:

> Fair and square challenge, Jan
> I also appreciate the emotional energy and don't want to be in the
> crossfire, but let it keep its stated direction: "kickass database for th=
e
> future"
>
> Johs
>
> PS
> Since this still is the VOTE thread..
>
> +1
> Slogan #3: "kickass database for the future"
>
>
> > On 16. sep. 2015, at 21.06, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > For the CouchApp lovers in this thread:
> >
> > The code that powers CouchApps in CouchDB hasn=E2=80=99t been touched f=
or half a
> decade. It has no maintainers, it is buggy, lacks features, and nobody wh=
o
> is active on the project has any interest in getting involved.
> >
> > We are here to discuss the future of CouchDB and it is evident that
> CouchApp-like / Webserver/Appserver/Database-hybrid features are not it,
> regardless of how excited or invested you are.
> >
> > If you REALLY REALLY care about this particular feature set, you will
> have to step and MAKE IT WORK in CouchDB. That means getting into the dir=
ty
> C, Erlang and JS parts of CouchDB and making this ready for the future. I=
f
> you say, well, it isn=E2=80=99t so much work as I say, great! Get crackin=
g.
> >
> > If you can=E2=80=99t get together and push this forward, the project wi=
ll go
> with a direction that its direct contributors are happy to work on, to
> maintain, fix and improve. And then any discussion about how to maybe
> phrase CouchDB=E2=80=99s marketing message in a way that CouchApps are st=
ill hot
> are totally NOT where this is going.
> >
> > You won=E2=80=99t be willing the project into submission for you pet fe=
atures by
> teaming up on these discussions as a very vocal (dare I say attention
> vampire) minority, while the rest of us are quietly trying to ship a kick
> as database for the future.
> >
> > This is open source, we all get a say in where we want to see things
> going, but at the end of the day, you will have to put in the elbow greas=
e
> to make things happen like you want them. We are liberal with giving out
> committership, there are literally no barriers to entry, except for a
> half-decade old pile of technical debt that nobody else dares to touch.
> >
> > *drops mic*
> >
> > *picks up mic again*
> >
> > PS: before you consider turning this into an ad-hominem attack, or some
> insinuation that I am abusing my PMC Chair position to push through my
> personal agenda or vendetta against you and your loved ones, or any of th=
is
> sort of crap (that has come up before), keep it to yourself, thanks.
> >
> >> On 16 Sep 2015, at 14:42, ermouth <ermouth@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> what went wrong?
> >>> how and where do we collect ideas about a slogan?
> >>
> >> ML is unsuitable =E2=80=93 low engagement, no navigation, zillions of =
cluttering
> >>>>>> in replies, inability to participate if you subscribed after topic
> was
> >> issued and so on. Only flaming enthuziasts can use this tool, all othe=
rs
> >> just pass by. Apache better understand it, enforcing usage of this too=
l.
> >>
> >> And even for enthuziasts it=E2=80=98s hard to track topics, splitted i=
nto
> several
> >> threads. You can only do it only in inbox =E2=80=93 all web UI are eve=
n more
> ugly.
> >>
> >>> Imo this should be a form where
> >>
> >> Form seems too much for slogan. Twitter is enough good, restricts leng=
th
> >> and provides perfect engagement. If you ask on twi (and do it at least
> >> three times taking in account timezones), I think you could receive a
> lot
> >> of good new slogans.
> >>
> >> Since slogans all are short, it wouldn=E2=80=98t be hard to create sho=
rt list =E2=80=93
> >> about 10-15-20 positions I think.
> >>
> >> For final poll there exist a lot of online instruments. Also voting
> should
> >> hide poll results for person until he or she votes =E2=80=93 it titill=
ates
> person=E2=80=98s
> >> curiosity and motivates to make a click. Option =E2=80=98I do not want=
 to vote,
> >> want to see results=E2=80=99 is also good to ensure you=E2=80=98ll hav=
e no random clicks
> >> just to uncover current results.
> >>
> >>> what did we discuss if most of the proposals are voted with -1
> >>
> >> It only means that both options proposed for voting are weak.
> >>
> >> BR
> >>
> >> ermouth
> >
> > --
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> >
>
>

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