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From: Andy Wenk <andywenk@apache.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 23:08:01 +0200
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] WHY/HOW/WHAT
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all, please stop with this nonsense. We will definitely not use a Slogan
including "kickass". We need constructive ideas ... not ironic statements.

Thank you

All the best

Andy

On 16 September 2015 at 22:55, Harald Kisch <haraldkisch@gmail.com> wrote:

> Slogan #3: "kickass database for the future"
>
> +1
>
> harald
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Johs Ensby <johs@b2w.com> wrote:
>
> > Fair and square challenge, Jan
> > I also appreciate the emotional energy and don't want to be in the
> > crossfire, but let it keep its stated direction: "kickass database for
> the
> > future"
> >
> > Johs
> >
> > PS
> > Since this still is the VOTE thread..
> >
> > +1
> > Slogan #3: "kickass database for the future"
> >
> >
> > > On 16. sep. 2015, at 21.06, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > For the CouchApp lovers in this thread:
> > >
> > > The code that powers CouchApps in CouchDB hasn=E2=80=99t been touched=
 for half
> a
> > decade. It has no maintainers, it is buggy, lacks features, and nobody
> who
> > is active on the project has any interest in getting involved.
> > >
> > > We are here to discuss the future of CouchDB and it is evident that
> > CouchApp-like / Webserver/Appserver/Database-hybrid features are not it=
,
> > regardless of how excited or invested you are.
> > >
> > > If you REALLY REALLY care about this particular feature set, you will
> > have to step and MAKE IT WORK in CouchDB. That means getting into the
> dirty
> > C, Erlang and JS parts of CouchDB and making this ready for the future.
> If
> > you say, well, it isn=E2=80=99t so much work as I say, great! Get crack=
ing.
> > >
> > > If you can=E2=80=99t get together and push this forward, the project =
will go
> > with a direction that its direct contributors are happy to work on, to
> > maintain, fix and improve. And then any discussion about how to maybe
> > phrase CouchDB=E2=80=99s marketing message in a way that CouchApps are =
still hot
> > are totally NOT where this is going.
> > >
> > > You won=E2=80=99t be willing the project into submission for you pet =
features
> by
> > teaming up on these discussions as a very vocal (dare I say attention
> > vampire) minority, while the rest of us are quietly trying to ship a ki=
ck
> > as database for the future.
> > >
> > > This is open source, we all get a say in where we want to see things
> > going, but at the end of the day, you will have to put in the elbow
> grease
> > to make things happen like you want them. We are liberal with giving ou=
t
> > committership, there are literally no barriers to entry, except for a
> > half-decade old pile of technical debt that nobody else dares to touch.
> > >
> > > *drops mic*
> > >
> > > *picks up mic again*
> > >
> > > PS: before you consider turning this into an ad-hominem attack, or so=
me
> > insinuation that I am abusing my PMC Chair position to push through my
> > personal agenda or vendetta against you and your loved ones, or any of
> this
> > sort of crap (that has come up before), keep it to yourself, thanks.
> > >
> > >> On 16 Sep 2015, at 14:42, ermouth <ermouth@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> what went wrong?
> > >>> how and where do we collect ideas about a slogan?
> > >>
> > >> ML is unsuitable =E2=80=93 low engagement, no navigation, zillions o=
f
> cluttering
> > >>>>>> in replies, inability to participate if you subscribed after top=
ic
> > was
> > >> issued and so on. Only flaming enthuziasts can use this tool, all
> others
> > >> just pass by. Apache better understand it, enforcing usage of this
> tool.
> > >>
> > >> And even for enthuziasts it=E2=80=98s hard to track topics, splitted=
 into
> > several
> > >> threads. You can only do it only in inbox =E2=80=93 all web UI are e=
ven more
> > ugly.
> > >>
> > >>> Imo this should be a form where
> > >>
> > >> Form seems too much for slogan. Twitter is enough good, restricts
> length
> > >> and provides perfect engagement. If you ask on twi (and do it at lea=
st
> > >> three times taking in account timezones), I think you could receive =
a
> > lot
> > >> of good new slogans.
> > >>
> > >> Since slogans all are short, it wouldn=E2=80=98t be hard to create s=
hort list
> =E2=80=93
> > >> about 10-15-20 positions I think.
> > >>
> > >> For final poll there exist a lot of online instruments. Also voting
> > should
> > >> hide poll results for person until he or she votes =E2=80=93 it titi=
llates
> > person=E2=80=98s
> > >> curiosity and motivates to make a click. Option =E2=80=98I do not wa=
nt to
> vote,
> > >> want to see results=E2=80=99 is also good to ensure you=E2=80=98ll h=
ave no random
> clicks
> > >> just to uncover current results.
> > >>
> > >>> what did we discuss if most of the proposals are voted with -1
> > >>
> > >> It only means that both options proposed for voting are weak.
> > >>
> > >> BR
> > >>
> > >> ermouth
> > >
> > > --
> > > Professional Support for Apache CouchDB:
> > > http://www.neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
> > >
> >
> >
>


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