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Subject: The Future of Couch: [Was: The future of couchapps]
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From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 21:26:52 -0400
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I just spent a little time comparing "Cloudant Local" with CouchDB - and 
in addition to ongoing support for CouchApps, it seems like Cloudant 
Local supports geospatial functions as well.  Which leads me to wonder 
two things:
- Whatever happened to geoCouch?
- What's the general direction of the CouchDB ecosystem.  Are we seeing 
Cloudant diverge from Couch, with IBM-supported features not making 
their way back into the open source version of Couch?

Miles Fidelman


Joan Touzet wrote:
> I'll concur with Alex here. My survey of the PMC members so far has
> resulted in 100% of us in agreement with Jan's comments.
>
> This is not a power play, it is a logical, reasoned decision with many
> factors that play a part -- not the least of which is that there are so
> many great web frameworks out there that do such a better job than we do
> with CouchApps. We'd need a massive effort to catch up with them, and a
> significant number of developers just to keep pace. Right now, there's
> no one working on CouchApps period, as has been repeatedly stated on the
> list.
>
> If you are willing to put in the time to develop the Erlang, JavaScript
> and possibly C to build the new functionality, and are able to sustain
> development on that over the course of the years it would take to match
> e.g. Python or Node.JS's community level for web apps...well, let's just
> say that I look forward to your GitHub pull requests. :)
>
> Best regards,
> Joan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alexander Shorin" <kxepal@gmail.com>
>> To: marketing@couchdb.apache.org
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:45:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: The future of couchapps
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> The future of CouchApps is trivial and was already discussed on this
>> ML[1]: this feature stalled over 4 years already, it has quite enough
>> issues and limitations, it lacks maintainer. If something of these
>> won't change in nearest future, CouchApps are doomed. And all
>> solutions lies though the hero(es) who will maintain and develop this
>> feature.
>>
>> The question here is not only about to keep existed code works. It's
>> also about vision of what CouchApps are, what they have to be, how to
>> evolve them and make really great and useful feature for CouchDB
>> users
>> and not only.
>>
>> Currently, there is no active leader of CouchApp feature in CouchDB
>> team, so this place is vacant and we are welcome everyone who would
>> like to take this duty on his/her shoulders.  Otherwise CouchApps
>> will
>> continue to be feature of secondary type, sort of accidental side
>> effect from technical decisions of good past days. No need to say
>> what
>> such state means. They may simply not survive next major release.
>>
>> [1]: Follow this thread:
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-marketing/201505.mbox/%3CCAPMhwa5R6CdeQP-m_FHfqYsJ4NDwLYiePuwrsi2bRfzifncRpw%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>> - it's long, but has all the same answers.
>>
>> --
>> ,,,^..^,,,
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Johs Ensby <johs@b2w.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all -- both couchapp lovers and skeptics,
>>>
>>> I want to start a new thread based on the below conversation
>>> between Jan and Giovanni at the end of the thread [VOTE]
>>> WHY/HOW/WHAT.
>>>
>>> I am in the group of stakeholders that have a business that rely on
>>> CouchDB. And I use couchApps hosted on Cloudant. I would like to
>>> see the community grow, not split again and there seems to be a
>>> tone developing that I am sorry if I have been a contributor to.
>>> Rather than having wide-reaching discussion about dream features
>>> of future couchapps, I will try to stay on the subject of a future
>>> for couchapps or not.
>>>
>>> The "watch me" from Jan below is very disturbing to me.
>>> I would appreciate seeing some comments from PMC members on this.
>>>
>>> Johs
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 18. sep. 2015, at 13.52, Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> - you don't know if tomorrow some erlang skilled couchapp lover
>>>>> won't get
>>>>> in and start working on the app part (to say the truth some of
>>>>> them were
>>>>> already active in the past, but they chose to left just because
>>>>> of
>>>>> this/yours direction)
>>>> In my last email I specifically suggested for such a person to
>>>> step up and I’d welcome them wholeheartedly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> - you can't remove something that ALREADY exists which A LOT of
>>>>> people
>>>>> like, use and have businesses on top, just because you and a few
>>>>> people
>>>>> don't like it
>>>> Watch me.


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