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Subject: Re: Trolling of Couchappers
From: Robert Samuel Newson <rnewson@apache.org>
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:23:02 +0100
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Hi,

I remind everybody that we have a code of conduct;

https://couchdb.apache.org/conduct.html

The tone of the couchapp discussion has been at odds with our CoC in my =
opinion and
this accusation of trolling is one of them. Clearly a disagreement is =
not trolling, no matter
how firmly held the opinions are on both side. Neither side is claiming =
to be for or against
couchapps simply to annoy other people.

Let=E2=80=99s please return to the couchapp discussion thread and leave =
this notion of trolling behind us.

Regards
Robert Newson
CouchDB PMC


> On 21 Sep 2015, at 14:38, ermouth <ermouth@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Dear PMCs, I heartly ask you: stop trolling couchappers.
>=20
> It became even more annoying, then Jan=E2=80=98s direct assaults.
>=20
> If you want to kill the feature =E2=80=93 well, say when and in which =
amount. If
> you can=E2=80=98t =E2=80=93 just say nothing.
>=20
> All these speeches, that you=E2=80=98re making kickass cluster are =
good. But when
> you start to say that you:
>=20
> * remove couchapp (which?) functions
> * possibly keep part of functions
> * remove them soon
> * remove them later
> * don=E2=80=98t remove them if someone start to support em.
>=20
> ... it=E2=80=98s just trolling. There is long german word, that means =
=E2=80=98major
> version upgrade phobia=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 well, you, dear PMCs, made =
all your best to
> induce this phobia to couchappers. Because you troll them. Directly.
> Changing each other daily, like you=E2=80=98re on duty.
>=20
> All this crap like =E2=80=98watch me=E2=80=99 is just direct and =
sometimes assaultive
> trolling. And I see it every freaking day here.
>=20
> Please, just stop.
>=20
> Dear PMCs, there is some obvious strategic consequences, that are =
clearly
> seen. Removing all these features when you roll out completely new =
version
> will lead you to:
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> * nearly zero-size cluster fans community =E2=80=93 nobody knows about =
CouchDB
> cluster yet, but all know there is Couchbase that is 100x faster;
> * zero size couchapp community here;
> * enormous amount of harsh, cynical and very personal public critics, =
where
> newborn cluster will be on special focus.
>=20
> So think carefully, and then say what you removing and when =E2=80=93 =
or say
> nothing.
>=20
> And anyway: please, stop trolling.
>=20
> ermouth