Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-marketing-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-marketing-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D97B417B94 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 39761 invoked by uid 500); 13 Jan 2015 09:29:58 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-marketing-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 39720 invoked by uid 500); 13 Jan 2015 09:29:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact marketing-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: marketing@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list marketing@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 39708 invoked by uid 99); 13 Jan 2015 09:29:58 -0000 Received: from mail-relay.apache.org (HELO mail-relay.apache.org) (140.211.11.15) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:29:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.55] (p5795A531.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.149.165.49]) by mail-relay.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mail-relay.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 9C0AE1A0234 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_634D74ED-B3C8-46D5-8680-2C68CF3B76BD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) Subject: Re: HN thread about CouchDB X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b4 From: Jan Lehnardt In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:29:53 +0100 Message-Id: <76524EE2-62AC-401E-9082-7E66A9AA6CDA@apache.org> References: To: marketing@couchdb.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) --Apple-Mail=_634D74ED-B3C8-46D5-8680-2C68CF3B76BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 13 Jan 2015, at 10:21 , Alexander Shorin wrote: >=20 > I don't follow what you mean about hiding details. What details? Why = to hide? > The problem with ddocs we have is not only documentation, but also > lack of tools to works with them. We admit couchapp thing as a feature > and ship a tool to develop and manage them with easy. Yes, there are a > lot of them in the wild: kanso, couchapp (python), couchapp (nodejs), > erica...but that's not a deal to provide a feature and tell our users > to seek or make a tools to work with it. My point is that this is a level of complexity that users should never have to deal with. They should just be able to say =E2=80=9Cindex these = fields, make it sortable by that field, do this aggregation=E2=80=9D. Not = managing map.js files with filesystem tools. >=20 > -- > ,,,^..^,,, >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Jan Lehnardt wrote: >> Heya (excuse the HN link), >>=20 >> this is not necessarily something for the weekly news, but I think = this is a useful summary of how people think about CouchDB in the wild. = I=E2=80=99m not suggesting this is representative, but it can help guide = us in what we want to do for our marketing activities, if we are not = happy with how people think about CouchDB: >>=20 >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D8865079 >>=20 >> I found the comment about design docs most interesting: = https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D8865687 (although I should send = this to dev@). We should think hard about hiding this detail away from = end-users. >>=20 >> Best >> Jan >> -- >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_634D74ED-B3C8-46D5-8680-2C68CF3B76BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUtOWRAAoJENnuAeR4Uq7ksjMP/30cYjgMj+2ToqPhTTjgqqkP BVsm/YpPz3j9gcFhCXifMCeNxci2U5uOt8DjZ7w2ROn42oNCEGPglg2aiHmDWpbe 5MbKkuRgkCOAxkDUWE9tHTwmIRBWLjbtvcaJAQfPSiazqIYkfY+aKNNfiU7MUT0e 4jGV2sWaz5v4krRbNShGtFOddsEMXYNNIQY1DiZCBPkcvi/YsObQSFGpOOVde5Dg 6S8F8m5IDjLuFapOYwRDEETBwN2x1ZTzbIjCyCRSCl9j6TnP63fbziyU7ZJVLndB ClJ25qZACmJ67Idtma/D3+kCHRG8RXu+Kcs9/BMNAE/fBl46DiobAkPnMC0yQdKD uKOZxCQuQhdf59roeiaTXdD0DnQk+lCNT0Wn52FHPyvhtwQarBaQLZgSiHrcvhER iJwBgiYfeGitcfSTrheh+o08wB8FtTpETQI1+2LD3R1yGu7PmX2f+aOn+iBbfCAh pnBzE8h8pYiBNCTEb0O8MDrw574VTCWJRtlUT5B/UWqY7zrWbXl71GKm58UBNXEn R+ODk18BO9z/hvTjXvCKpoi0AzZS1Ey1Uub6bS7dGnICyewSkqWGfE8d8LLgLk8P /8tkfZOzHXOsS7ORubrG0c8W7aeZTZ2rwR3mLJnN1qQxYXl3Nr9eAeEZUdaUq9ml DGiw+XGY+5+XJT6rs7PL =yAsH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_634D74ED-B3C8-46D5-8680-2C68CF3B76BD--