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From Jan Lehnardt <>
Subject Re: HN thread about CouchDB
Date Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:27:42 GMT

> On 13 Jan 2015, at 10:44 , Alexander Shorin <> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Alexander Shorin <> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Jan Lehnardt <> wrote:
>>>> On 13 Jan 2015, at 10:21 , Alexander Shorin <> wrote:
>>>> I don't follow what you mean about hiding details. What details? Why to hide?
>>>> The problem with ddocs we have is not only documentation, but also
>>>> lack of tools to works with them. We admit couchapp thing as a feature
>>>> and ship a tool to develop and manage them with easy. Yes, there are a
>>>> lot of them in the wild: kanso, couchapp (python), couchapp (nodejs),
>>>> erica...but that's not a deal to provide a feature and tell our users
>>>> to seek or make a tools to work with it.
>>> My point is that this is a level of complexity that users should never
>>> have to deal with. They should just be able to say “index these fields,
>>> make it sortable by that field, do this aggregation”. Not managing map.js
>>> files with filesystem tools.
>> To let them able to say that they should also be also to do exactly
>> that. None of our tools including futon and fauxton isn't able to give
>> our users experience you described. Write some javascript, figure out
>> how sorting works, write reduce function, hit the overflow and
>> rereduce cases, fix them, oh you need to sort result by other field? -
>> change the map function or create another view - that's how it's now.
>> Too far from simplicity.

Exactly, that’s my point! :)

>> Graduation of docs by level (easy, medium, hacker) is a good and wise idea.

I like this, too. People can always go under the hood if they want, but
there is no easy entry to CouchDB querying that is shipping today.

> Need to note that mango is able to simplify a lot of views
> understanding (by hiding all the details) and give users click-only
> interface with no scripting. I think that's the solution of complexity
> issue.

I agree!


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