From dev-return-49390-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@couchdb.apache.org Fri May 22 18:50:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B0C418057A for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:50:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11753 invoked by uid 500); 22 May 2020 18:50:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 11741 invoked by uid 99); 22 May 2020 18:50:09 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org) (10.10.3.42) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:50:09 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (business-90-187-221-197.pool2.vodafone-ip.de [90.187.221.197]) by mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mailrelay1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 290631005 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:50:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Jan Lehnardt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Subject: Re: moving email lists to GitHub Discussions (Was: [DISCUSS] moving email lists to Discourse) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:50:07 +0200 References: <0119a3a4-a69c-7c6b-3113-dc365a1ab8b9@apache.org> <8f609642-0b4e-5c1e-d0dd-459a08f0a59f@apache.org> <64383d31-5e86-214f-2ef7-1ce37605a1ea@apache.org> <94FA6C18-B453-47B0-9344-9A11EBF5186C@apache.org> <1728a139-14d9-4a80-bc11-e3a7cdf725c9@www.fastmail.com> <001e9790-fe5c-00c4-200f-c147f5a66df1@apache.org> <18cc75b6-e38f-79ac-96a4-648fd93c2c4a@apache.org> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org In-Reply-To: <18cc75b6-e38f-79ac-96a4-648fd93c2c4a@apache.org> Message-Id: <7575640A-9A95-42CC-A0C9-15F4E63A453F@apache.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Thanks Joan, I=E2=80=99m looking forward to Infra feedback. Best Jan =E2=80=94 > On 22. May 2020, at 19:31, Joan Touzet wrote: >=20 > I haven't gotten a lot of feedback on this proposal. (I know a lot of = people are marching towards deadlines right now.) I also don't want to = take it to users@, unless there's a reality of it happening. >=20 > In the interest of moving this forward, I'm going to open an = exploratory issue with Infra to see how much work it'd be to make this = happen. Hopefully, we're not the first people to ask. >=20 > We'll still need a vote here, or on users@, before we would actually = move activity to GH Discussions, but it won't be the gating factor for a = while yet, I bet. >=20 > FYI, per our project guidelines/bylaws, this would be a non-technical = decision, allowing for lazy consensus and a lazy majority (3 binding = +1s, more binding +1s than binding -1s), with binding votes cast by = committers, and no vetos. >=20 > -Joan >=20 > On 2020-05-12 14:41, Joan Touzet wrote: >> On 2020-05-12 5:46 a.m., Ilya Khlopotov wrote: >>> I would be +1 as long as it works and we have options to migrate = archive elsewhere if/when we need to. >>> You are proposing to mirror email traffic which means that mail = archive would have a complete history and spare the project from total = vendor lock in. >>>=20 >> Yup, that'd be a requirement from the ASF's perspective, regardless = of technology we select. >> -Joan >>> Best regards, >>> ILYA >>>=20 >>> On 2020/05/11 19:04:53, Joan Touzet wrote: >>>> On 2020-03-15 9:36, Dave Cottlehuber wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, at 14:35, Naomi Slater wrote: >>>>>> apparently GitHub has discussions now. it's still in beta, but = you can >>>>>> specifically request it if you want it if you contact support, I = think >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> e.g., https://github.com/zeit/next.js/discussions >>>>>> >>>>>=20 >>>>> interesting. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> I'm interested to know what we think about this and how this >>>>>> might/could fit into our plans for user support, discussion, etc. >>>>=20 >>>> Given that we already have email integration with GitHub, this will >>>> probably be easier to get through the ASF bureaucracy than = something >>>> brand new. >>>>=20 >>>> I'm willing to take this through Infra if people agree to it. It = doesn't >>>> look like there are any separate "boards" or tags yet, so the = proposal >>>> would likely be that discussions there would get emailed onto = user@. The >>>> hard part will be getting replies to the thread on user@ to go back = into >>>> the discussion on GH; we might be able to get an "asf-bot" to do = this >>>> for us. >>>>=20 >>>> I also looked at Infra's JIRA database, and no one has put in this >>>> request there yet. So, we'd be the first, with all the difficulties = that >>>> entails. >>>>=20 >>>> Can I get an informal "vote" on this approach and go-ahead? Since = it's >>>> informal, anyone is encouraged to respond. >>>>=20 >>>> -Joan "adopt, adapt, improve" Touzet >>>>=20