From dev-return-49389-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@couchdb.apache.org Fri May 22 18:29:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [207.244.88.153]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id DB0AA18057A for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:29:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 89580 invoked by uid 500); 22 May 2020 18:29:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 89568 invoked by uid 99); 22 May 2020 18:29:45 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:29:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 6571218231A for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:29:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.983 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[KAM_DMARC_STATUS=0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.972] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-he-de.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NFjdePFHU-eo for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: Softfail (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=204.11.51.157; helo=smtp.justsomehost.net; envelope-from=wohali@apache.org; receiver= Received: from smtp.justsomehost.net (smtp.justsomehost.net [204.11.51.157]) by mx1-he-de.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-he-de.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 4EE927DCC3 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.justsomehost.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0763B580216 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.justsomehost.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.justsomehost.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id OIv6vgnGH_XZ for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.justsomehost.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CBA58022E for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.justsomehost.net Received: from smtp.justsomehost.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.justsomehost.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Xw7xRCGbZoRS for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.14] (toroon0560w-lp130-13-70-26-27-87.dsl.bell.ca [70.26.27.87]) by smtp.justsomehost.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A8FD580216 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: moving email lists to GitHub Discussions (Was: [DISCUSS] moving email lists to Discourse) To: dev@couchdb.apache.org References: <0119a3a4-a69c-7c6b-3113-dc365a1ab8b9@apache.org> <8f609642-0b4e-5c1e-d0dd-459a08f0a59f@apache.org> <64383d31-5e86-214f-2ef7-1ce37605a1ea@apache.org> <94FA6C18-B453-47B0-9344-9A11EBF5186C@apache.org> <1728a139-14d9-4a80-bc11-e3a7cdf725c9@www.fastmail.com> <001e9790-fe5c-00c4-200f-c147f5a66df1@apache.org> <18cc75b6-e38f-79ac-96a4-648fd93c2c4a@apache.org> From: Joan Touzet Organization: Apache Software Foundation Message-ID: <60be6a89-dd44-901e-b898-a442625a3674@apache.org> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:29:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18cc75b6-e38f-79ac-96a4-648fd93c2c4a@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2020-05-22 13:31, Joan Touzet wrote: > I haven't gotten a lot of feedback on this proposal. (I know a lot of > people are marching towards deadlines right now.) I also don't want to > take it to users@, unless there's a reality of it happening. > > In the interest of moving this forward, I'm going to open an exploratory > issue with Infra to see how much work it'd be to make this happen. > Hopefully, we're not the first people to ask. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20301 has been filed. > We'll still need a vote here, or on users@, before we would actually > move activity to GH Discussions, but it won't be the gating factor for a > while yet, I bet. > > FYI, per our project guidelines/bylaws, this would be a non-technical > decision, allowing for lazy consensus and a lazy majority (3 binding > +1s, more binding +1s than binding -1s), with binding votes cast by > committers, and no vetos. > > -Joan > > On 2020-05-12 14:41, Joan Touzet wrote: >> On 2020-05-12 5:46 a.m., Ilya Khlopotov wrote: >>> I would be +1 as long as it works and we have options to migrate >>> archive elsewhere if/when we need to. >>> You are proposing to mirror email traffic which means that mail >>> archive would have a complete history and spare the project from >>> total vendor lock in. >>> >> >> Yup, that'd be a requirement from the ASF's perspective, regardless of >> technology we select. >> >> -Joan >> >>> Best regards, >>> ILYA >>> >>> On 2020/05/11 19:04:53, Joan Touzet wrote: >>>> On 2020-03-15 9:36, Dave Cottlehuber wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, at 14:35, Naomi Slater wrote: >>>>>> apparently GitHub has discussions now. it's still in beta, but you >>>>>> can >>>>>> specifically request it if you want it if you contact support, I >>>>>> think >>>>>> >>>>>> e.g., https://github.com/zeit/next.js/discussions >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> interesting. >>>>> >>>>>> I'm interested to know what we think about this and how this >>>>>> might/could fit into our plans for user support, discussion, etc. >>>> >>>> Given that we already have email integration with GitHub, this will >>>> probably be easier to get through the ASF bureaucracy than something >>>> brand new. >>>> >>>> I'm willing to take this through Infra if people agree to it. It >>>> doesn't >>>> look like there are any separate "boards" or tags yet, so the proposal >>>> would likely be that discussions there would get emailed onto user@. >>>> The >>>> hard part will be getting replies to the thread on user@ to go back >>>> into >>>> the discussion on GH; we might be able to get an "asf-bot" to do this >>>> for us. >>>> >>>> I also looked at Infra's JIRA database, and no one has put in this >>>> request there yet. So, we'd be the first, with all the difficulties >>>> that >>>> entails. >>>> >>>> Can I get an informal "vote" on this approach and go-ahead? Since it's >>>> informal, anyone is encouraged to respond. >>>> >>>> -Joan "adopt, adapt, improve" Touzet >>>>