Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49EF4DC8B for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 52691 invoked by uid 500); 1 Nov 2012 12:21:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 52596 invoked by uid 500); 1 Nov 2012 12:21:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 52567 invoked by uid 99); 1 Nov 2012 12:21:39 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:21:39 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [80.244.253.218] (HELO mail.traeumt.net) (80.244.253.218) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:21:31 +0000 Received: from rose.coup (unknown [178.19.216.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.traeumt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D96D914091 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:15:13 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.1 \(1498\)) Subject: Re: Futon.Next Proof of Concept From: Jan Lehnardt In-Reply-To: <4679D8A1A1BF4B16B584949A73A4FBD7@cloudant.com> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:21:11 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8B1CAC16-9C27-4AEF-9C94-F12D92AB868B@apache.org> References: <4679D8A1A1BF4B16B584949A73A4FBD7@cloudant.com> To: dev@couchdb.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1498) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Nov 1, 2012, at 12:46 , Simon Metson wrote: > Hi,=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thursday, 1 November 2012 at 11:35, Alexander Shorin wrote: >=20 >> Because it's additional semi justified dependencies and whole project >> goes far away from couchapp concept, imho. >=20 > I don't think it does. In fact I'd say it emphasises the flexibility = of couch apps and how they play nicely with other tools ("hey look, you = can use this database with the toolset I'm used to from jquery"). >> If Erica will be bundled tool out of CouchDB box, better to dance = around him. >=20 > I'd rather use something that exists today and evaluate erica when it = is included with CouchDB and has the necessary feature set in the = future.=20 >=20 > With grunt we can get consistent build environments, with erica we'd = either have people installing tools (linters, less compiler, minify-ers = etc) manually/ad-hoc, have to rely on something like npm (and if we're = doing that, why not use grunt?) or build it ourselves (eurgh!).=20 In addition, we make this all more attractive for direly needed = web-developer contributors. Major +1 on grunt + bbb. Cheers Jan --=20