Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 19985 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2009 18:46:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Feb 2009 18:46:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 46442 invoked by uid 500); 6 Feb 2009 18:46:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 46412 invoked by uid 500); 6 Feb 2009 18:46:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 46399 invoked by uid 99); 6 Feb 2009 18:46:06 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:46:06 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.68.5.17] (HELO relay03.pair.com) (209.68.5.17) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:45:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 87240 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2009 18:45:36 -0000 Received: from 96.33.90.152 (HELO ?192.168.1.195?) (96.33.90.152) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2009 18:45:36 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 96.33.90.152 Message-Id: <00A53A4E-EB6D-4051-BF89-2C75B1F835FA@apache.org> From: Damien Katz To: dev@couchdb.apache.org In-Reply-To: <179E7518-CB03-4BA4-8A3A-22BDEEBA2989@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: Transactional _bulk_docs Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:45:36 -0500 References: <7A158DD5-18E6-41EC-89C2-305824536A7A@gmail.com> <064D062D-9293-441E-B425-6FD2B5264E0E@pobox.com> <988C8AAF-E151-40FB-9E1A-000876FE3489@gmail.com> <182D5B6E-D179-470A-8638-B54E3DEF2747@pobox.com> <11E11144-004D-45B8-A503-88FD471953D7@apache.org> <9C8B5F07-856F-495D-AD91-FCA5AB5E31FF@pobox.com> <4E507D2E-88F9-4591-B721-F4343ACA9A9E@apache.org> <393666B7-8444-4D23-A2BA-AD59652A96AE@sauria.com> <0D17D25F-7E88-4F19-96A9-62FC81E2DFC5@pobox.com> <23F5DDC0-C5DA-4615-AF99-E28AC1334236@pobox.com> <073B9B55-17B6-4EED-A844-5D86346F18FB@apache.org> <56699256-3D51-41F7-B403-9B2A8CB16A58@sauria.com> <179E7518-CB03-4BA4-8A3A-22BDEEBA2989@apache.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Jan Lehnardt wrote: > Thanks Ted, for the calm words. > > > On 6 Feb 2009, at 19:20, Ted Leung wrote: > >> On Feb 6, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Damien Katz wrote: >> >>>> This may hint at one of my biggest concerns here, the >>>> balkanization of the PMC from the rest of the community. I don't >>>> think I've ever seen a project where the dividing line between >>>> the PMC and the rest of the community was so often and brightly >>>> drawn. >>> >>> Please tell me more about this brightly drawn line. We should get >>> rid of it. >> >> I don't know if this is what Geir means, but there is a lot of use >> of the letters PMC in messages on the list. Much more than usual, >> in my experience. That may sound like a small thing, but that >> kind of small thing, repeated over time, can lead to a highly >> stratified community, which is undesirable. > > As for my part, I was simply adapting ASF terminology and wrote PMC > where I meant "the individual contributers, Chris, Chris, Damien, > Noah and Jan". In no way I was trying to draw a line or fence > anybody out. Sorry, if things came across that way. I didn't know > "the PMC" is a "red flag" when talking community :) > The only time I've heard PMC mentioned so often seems to be about this specific issue. -Damien