From dev-return-10804-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@community.apache.org Mon Oct 15 19:23:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C5A7180647 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 77373 invoked by uid 500); 15 Oct 2018 17:23:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@community.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@community.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 77113 invoked by uid 99); 15 Oct 2018 17:23:04 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:23:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id C7912C1C65 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:23:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.999 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mifos-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ntm0XDsEnJQb for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lj1-f170.google.com (mail-lj1-f170.google.com [209.85.208.170]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id A67AA5F577 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-f170.google.com with SMTP id y71-v6so18241986lje.9 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 10:23:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mifos-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=i6q563UJcau/2AhoosV9CIhQTC1HfUGSGjcdjG4cmnQ=; b=FJ4URG0Re6+1wzCtZu9+vXIHErduoDb7rXoRQtXJK2xjgYOIt1UcLTwuNK9tT2L1cg gkMzsXM5JY3ppgRQh5oYZ1OcOxXsDDIsONfbWC5bl8ugx0UyBshhgg/mlxdUaBreoh4Q YpEQ9YeFGc1TCqnvVpvC2BBugNTpIHeHYxlLcrCxHossU5Fjhl9zQLy6Pbh68KZSiK1w 3+mBPwEtALpeLafyEo/RmvrhBhvBkp/Kg0fAmpH/FrQbr3cc+wBRPuTV+HZSK/VQgCpl 8kMNgLZ/UtjvDkork9aQvEZ2TNskOoF1bV06cTO2yFB3+JBUznTgfEPCv94Xavohzunu ikDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=i6q563UJcau/2AhoosV9CIhQTC1HfUGSGjcdjG4cmnQ=; b=Db1dhYHb5u68MwewqKFRVaYBcB37rp5oTo+4i44gdHpdxUmV+fG/jitsxidhOuwCuR m1u6ZYODTcytMLntXMf+WKqtAd0xzHCJPkBSB96wOpDV3MRXJXHRrz3+cFzmOHTcBy5q zoykXy3CjqWjxy4lWpBFQBlSu5GvISG1QOfjzBgHuFM8ys3WWpH+RMo+UW2/S+vK3LIu xFmNarBy9vi9l4P9ZupvJ9NVGaQ9AighOxGf0BevwpgpF+wPyDQGlqbRKdESEEGXs/1b +WMiOaeos1sg8Lfo1BGWYKXWPMWF/++CBujKhBbGLCuikqP+KbC1IEsdeByckAXxLQ+h doiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfojUk+Mw5Bem6LnYsu5XJYEsGyFqH3sswQig4Dy4tt16hwE0lPFt PpAvseo3TMGAcUiOUwbQchkcKKP+QhnG7HNyhLP7qA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV61Oe67gaW+d2vJPjvd+o7Z1SKTOU7REbEg++bjmLrLU01fl3mVPu5gSnOt/Z6ZXT1Y1+R55xJHNOOrBclW3Lp8= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:3301:: with SMTP id d1-v6mr8913666ljc.9.1539624179938; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 10:22:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ed Cable Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 10:22:23 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Dev vs User Mailing Lists To: Dev Cc: dev@community.apache.org, Mifos software development , mifos-users , user@fineract.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000554374057847b010" --000000000000554374057847b010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Javier, Thanks for the suggestion about a WhatsApp group - I agree that a user-friendly more real-time chat tool is a nice complement to mailing lists but by no means a replacement. I agree with all the feedback shared by Mark and Myrle and don't really think WhatsApp might be the most ideal tool even for a real-time chat namely for a lot of the reasons Myrle suggested - I also think that for it to both be an effective tool for users and developers looking to collaborate it needs to have some of the integrations with Github, code formatting, etc. that tools like Hipchat, Slack, Gitter already have. As Myrle said, for the Apache Fineract community, HipChat exists and for Mifos communities, we have our Gitter chat (which we continue to evaluate versus options like Slack and Zulip) While this is only related to the Mifos community, one thing that we are exploring (and it's in the spirit of making a more user-friendly and engaging user experience) is looking at an option like Discourse to replace the Mifos Mailing lists and our Q&A tool. I believe it ticks off all the boxes listed by Mark but also is more in-line with the user experience around chat - it can provide mailing list, forum, Q & A/gamification, chat features all in one. See https://www.discourse.org/features At the GSOC mentor summit, Yaw from Open Data Kit had some wonderful feedback about their experiences with Discourse. You can see why they switched at https://opendatakit.org/2017/06/how-to-get-started-on-the-odk-forum/ and see their implementation at https://forum.opendatakit.org/ On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 7:04 AM Javier Borkenztain wrote: > Thanks all for your comments, there are strong arguments against Whatsapp= , > and it seems that the biggest one is that cannot be stored on ASF servers > (for now?). > > Hipchat is good, but Whatsapp is ubiquitous and for many of us, number 1 > messaging and communication tool. > > We just need to lower the entry barriers for the non-technical > collaborators to be able to collaborate and share what are they doing, ho= w > are they making this community better and bigger. > > Thanks again, > Javier > > > El lun., 15 oct. 2018 a las 5:12, Bertrand Delacretaz (< > bdelacretaz@apache.org>) escribi=C3=B3: > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 10:09 PM Javier Borkenztain > > wrote: > > > > > > ...I really enjoyed the presentation > > > > > James > > > Dailey shared a couple of months ago... > > > > Great reference, thank you! > > > > (BTW https://jira.mongodb.org/browse/PYTHON-532 is a fantastic example > > of how to handle "difficult" bug reports) > > > > -Bertrand > > > --=20 *Ed Cable* President/CEO, Mifos Initiative edcable@mifos.org | Skype: edcable | Mobile: +1.484.477.8649 *Collectively Creating a World of 3 Billion Maries | *http://mifos.org --000000000000554374057847b010--