Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09AC8691E for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 87858 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jul 2011 20:56:23 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 87778 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jul 2011 20:56:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@community.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@community.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 87770 invoked by uid 99); 21 Jul 2011 20:56:22 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:56:22 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of bimargulies@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.173 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.173] (HELO mail-ey0-f173.google.com) (209.85.215.173) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:56:16 +0000 Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2008746eyb.4 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:55:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aetaz0cD0ER0xKFgDsp4dIYZmKO9JvxvmSbz5wrOu84=; b=OZ5MXIY3B3oX/COfvJrrPuoxU2fou/juy6JpXUd9qtxws/T68xkAu2IQHEjQ9vPfgT /GknU31upSCkwyD8YM/5wB19GZKQdXdM9bC/Pi7kmavzGzrfAdJqH6yzXmRLHMzyLjNt cfWcMRgcosUWimQ4gzOKZj5u2KWb+BhCEL1FQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.74.197 with SMTP id v5mr213175bkj.150.1311281755148; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.54.202 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:55:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:55:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GSoC & Temporary commit access accounts From: Benson Margulies To: dev@community.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Personally I feel that GSoC students should earn commit access just > like anyone else. I have a lot of sympathy for Greg's position. Treating 'committer' as a single monolithic category drives people away. A typical problem case is someone who sets out to undertake a big, complex, contribution. Without at least svn commit access to a branch, the overhead can get so onerous to drive people away. yes, the mentor can be a human mirror and push stuff into a branch. That's a lot of extra work. I've seen it happen. Yes, various tricks with git mitigate. On the other hand, having the code in svn in a branch allows the PMC to supervise the contribution much more easily. When I first turned up at Apache, I deferred work on the main project I had in mind for months and pecked away at small bugs to earn committer status. Not everyone has that much patience, and not everyone, in my opinion, should have to. I'd be happy to see the foundation endorse the idea that a PMC can choose to grant commit karma to branches, in a trial basis, to people who have submitted a suitable cla. That would not given them nexus karma, web-site-editing karma, or dogma karma.