Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99AC200CE9 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:26:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id A816416C0E1; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id ED8AB16BFB0 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 11:26:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 56398 invoked by uid 500); 19 Aug 2017 09:26:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@cayenne.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@cayenne.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@cayenne.apache.org Received: (qmail 56363 invoked by uid 99); 19 Aug 2017 09:26:17 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:26:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 1CC1418060F for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:26:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.821 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.821 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=objectstyle.org header.b=KcjfHwuj; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=qUBcjDh+ Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MxSGDhHe3fr0 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 09F6261B62 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CFB222CD for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 05:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 19 Aug 2017 05:16:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=objectstyle.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=7fiXn4Z1SxTk1q7 ZxknNYgxEHbHNzfk0YTw6QJV/VEk=; b=KcjfHwujgvJlj+u/Jq6BfmvZUMhpm7u mCRLAWqKdA/1ij/j6CKfiCCbjFOLwTTVFoAlUjIffr1s6TY04dnFVuPKkRuXjpUr dWoMI19L+9Z0QAbiFOnQh3E6sAAhL5Vn5UnzVc8RPBWD208zOuhD9rKYL72Nq208 5ksJbQ55FZwU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=7fiXn4Z1SxTk1q7ZxknNYgxEHbHNzfk0YTw6QJV/VEk=; b=qUBcjDh+ DnIY/L7r/VMLTh9niaH0nOw1sWvbrHr5oMigMbxB1NBivo+0amOYoLQ1E1A/eRF0 bYt9TgTrCfz1YfkWuIDibP2XGHgtN+e4LyoPWjbEfg5cWVs3/RNJ/pjqp0cvw+rN Q97lMMDeaum2pBGgrFDCWgK5SY8WwdnxgfSshXT/AVs9RbcHMugDMGP1oh+w17LT EAGWtYllM2E0T5aVOgBINfT+x+HPLVaEF/dwlPMVlv0/VWOx6yLFRBpCrIq/FkOl jtuT/nPRPRwRWsQ/FQJ6NqMrzkhohuf6tmQBuTKUfu0Cc3Nurdg/hg79EwCNTTlf vmbtj9MU2KbCrg== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: iDtEaMkOCuFt/aFPSB3ACdQaPA7LXqVjMQj8Sw400FYX 1503134189 Received: from [192.168.2.104] (unknown [212.98.176.247]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AF5EA240AF for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2017 05:16:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrus Adamchik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: Cayenne Modeler Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 12:16:27 +0300 References: To: dev@cayenne.apache.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) archived-at: Sat, 19 Aug 2017 09:26:23 -0000 > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same time = made > the modeler so much harder to use. I don't have such a strong feeling about this, but I still agree with = Tony. I had the same exact experience after the upgrade. And even after = months on the new Modeler, I always have to pause when locating the = "Edit" button to not hit "Remove" by mistake (and vice versa). > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should rethink = the > idea of toning it down so completely. +1. Just like we went back and added color to the model nodes, I suggest = we try and re-add color to the icons. Andrus > On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Tony Giaccone = wrote: >=20 > Started using Cayenne 4.0 Modeler, and let me just give a few = thoughts. >=20 > Positives: >=20 > The UI functionally is an improvement. A number of the things that = used to > annoy me are now fixed. Retention of Datasource, for example. The = Modeler > feels snappier, more responsive. >=20 > Negatives: >=20 > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same time = made > the modeler so much harder to use. Muted colors, mean you lose the = feedback > that could provide you with reassurance your making the right choice. = Wow, > I can't say this enough. Toning down the color of elements in the UI = makes > it so much harder to use. This overwhelmed all the other positives and = made > the Modeler using the Modeler unpleasant. I found myself spending a = lot > more time waiting for the labels that hover if you linger on an item, = to be > certain I was doing the right thing. Over time I guess this will get > better, but as an overall change, I can't say how much I dislike this. >=20 > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should rethink = the > idea of toning it down so completely. >=20 >=20 > Tony Giaccone