From user-return-11692-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@zookeeper.apache.org Mon Sep 17 17:10:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C259180627 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:10:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 4957 invoked by uid 500); 17 Sep 2018 15:10:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@zookeeper.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: user@zookeeper.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list user@zookeeper.apache.org Received: (qmail 4940 invoked by uid 99); 17 Sep 2018 15:10:46 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:10:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 0E1AC1824C6 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:10:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.879 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cloudera.com Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zvwlMRTKS-fl for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pl1-f193.google.com (mail-pl1-f193.google.com [209.85.214.193]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 424455F52F for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl1-f193.google.com with SMTP id f6-v6so7576453plo.1 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 08:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=XQm9ULqapbs0SjOd/gDuYFfUPhTC5JTd6nHmzDY7UY8=; b=B9A5lkcIgsLfT7AYhjmcHIYRXA37Fjx3Zn2n9Syby51Lpvi0+tc2OLsrX1cm7e36Mr 4szhhyOX05Xu/w7VziEXwZVe20if3Wfz90oRuVfLcgb8UrGZLzP9jgTwg5K3eDDmjZU2 FY7JvMm5ZtVNCUFhKECbMmxnXTGtUjpUmUKt8cxPJWkKVkcWiZAh8QULwn1qiNoi2aCU sYiycCVS0d1YgkzbNz/TDw+HrNfJauZiBGfgCZ3V8Hn50hS/htnem02ppab3AbINxnUf J4lfBjvrPn+8N0Fti5FcLxLDo+VO3/B+MuS0VoZzUWWHaVoq8dtt3sY/CvCOy47FA4A8 x97w== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DI+TkZamJ1F88JBGqgSm6wnXqFNwUva0J8yJhHfSaEX1TAneWT y4tR5J+zpRd6pwheVM9G+y17fLNcME0o/DRo8pPBh3MXAJE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdanedAeACV4WF9Nw0aLUjKTAkKbTinJPfOI/M89uzdyGMpmDnqLanGPoKyRQNyl3jLLHBA4Gk9dXcEbDfo6b6Q= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:292b:: with SMTP id g40-v6mr25041604plb.223.1537197040846; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 08:10:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6653c8e5bb954320823130c310abf97c@MBX080-W7-CO-1.exch080.serverpod.net> <1536687361501.91897@helixeducation.com> <1536762497921.83219@helixeducation.com> <1536944492053.66577@helixeducation.com> In-Reply-To: <1536944492053.66577@helixeducation.com> From: Norbert Kalmar Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:10:29 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Java 11 OpenJDK/Oracle Java Release Cadence Questions To: user@zookeeper.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000091e8eb0576129357" --00000000000091e8eb0576129357 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Theres already a Jira and PR available to fix 3.4 JDK11 related errors: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ZOOKEEPER-3148 https://github.com/apache/zookeeper/pull/626 But this won't be released by September 25th that's for sure. But I think it will until end of support of older JDK's, so by 2019 January. This is not a promise though, as I don't know the release plans for 3.4 Regards, Norbert On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 5:01 PM Jeremiah Adams wrote: > > Java 11 is out on Sept., 25 and makes Java 8, 9 and 10 obsolete. Java 8, > 9, and 10 will no longer receive security patches/updates beginning in > January 2019. Organizations have the option to pay Oracle for patches in > order to stay on Java 8. > > Oracle is changing its release cycle and licensing for Java SE (which is > no more as off 11). Java SE is rebranded to Oracle java and is an LTS > release requiring paid licenses per processor running java 11. Fee is $25 > per processor. LTS means fewer upgrades, but does receive security patche= s. > > Oracle will continue to contribute to OpenJDK. However, the OpenJDK > releases will come every six month and are called =E2=80=9CMajor=E2=80=9D= releases.. Each > release making the previous obsolete with zero security patches/updates > applied to previous versions. > > All of this sounds really bad, however, the =E2=80=9Cmajor=E2=80=9D versi= ons that will > come from OpenJDK are more akin to going from 8->8u20->8u40 than from Jav= a > 7 to Java 8. So the biggest hurdle is simply aligning project releases wi= th > OpenJDK release cadences. This implies building to release candidates pri= or > to bi-annual JDK release testing and releasing. > > If your organization doesn=E2=80=99t want to pay for Oracle Java your or= g will > have to upgrade Java versions every six months. While we can easily manag= e > our own code base, dependencies such as Zookeeper are key to our business > and difficult to control. > > Below are links related to this topic I found while doing research. If > anyone can comes to different conclusions please share. > > I do have testing Zookeeper on Java 11 in our backlog but do not know how > soon I can get to that. > > > http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/price-lists/java-se-subscripti= on-pricelist-5028356.pdf > > http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaseproducts/overview/javasesubs= criptionfaq-4891443.html > http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html > > https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/update-and-faq-on-the-java-s= e-release-cadence > > https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/a-quick-summary-on-the-new-j= ava-se-subscription > > http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaseproducts/javasesubscription-= data-sheet-4891969.pdf > https://www.infoq.com/presentations/java-10-11 > > > > Jeremiah Adams > Software Engineer > www.helixeducation.com > Blog | Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn > > ________________________________________ > From: Jeremiah Adams > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:28 AM > To: user@zookeeper.apache.org > Subject: [POSSIBLE PHISHING] Re: Java 11 OpenJDK/Oracle Java Release > Cadence Questions > > "But if it's too late for you, you can still revert to OpenJDK8 which i= s > supported until June 2023 (if that's an option to you at all)." > > Please correct me if I am misinformed but this is not consistent with the > research I have been doing. 8 will no longer receive security updates fro= m > Oracle beginning Jan 2019. To continue receiving patches from Oracle, > processors and end users must be licensed. Redhat has an OpenJDK but it > also requires paid support. Other vendors build OpenJDK8 but this is > getting too far off the beaten path for me to consider production worthy. > > > > I am currently evaluating each of our core java dependencies to determine > if paying for this support is our best path forward until Java11 is widel= y > adopted. > > Thanks > > > Jeremiah Adams > Software Engineer > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?ahfhEufaAWbezBrUFPG98ZJcterGfIerU3ZwsA3= Gv_C0~ > Blog | Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn > > ________________________________________ > From: Norbert Kalmar > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:48 AM > To: user@zookeeper.apache.org > Subject: Re: Java 11 OpenJDK/Oracle Java Release Cadence Questions > > Hi Jeremiah, > > I don't know what will happen with the Oracle support, I'm sure oracleJDK= 11 > will be sorted out for ZK sooner or later. > > But if it's too late for you, you can still revert to OpenJDK8 which is > supported until June 2023 (if that's an option to you at all). > > But seeing people concerned with a topic here on this list sure can speed > things up. So thanks for writing, this is definitely on the table, and we > will keep You guys updated! > > Regards, > Norbert > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:36 PM Jeremiah Adams > wrote: > > > My primary concern is the drop of support and security patches for Java= 8 > > in January by Oracle. It will require paying for support if not upgrade= d > to > > Java 11. We are trying to get ahead of this because of budgets. > > > > > > Jeremiah Adams > > Software Engineer > > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?ahfhEufaAWbezBrUFPG98ZJcterGfIerU3ZwsA3= Gv_C0~ > > Blog | Twitter | Facebook | LinkedIn > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: Patrick Hunt > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:20 AM > > To: UserZooKeeper; DevZooKeeper > > Subject: Re: Java 11 OpenJDK/Oracle Java Release Cadence Questions > > > > Hi Jeremiah. It's failing consistently on Jenkins, unlikely to official= ly > > support until someone addresses those: > > > > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?aiZTcxUx4h_dcZxn8EbCGprch71qelj0ZbtLyOK= h81lGDtcTT9nJTlYs664Fxxbo6NyeapY3ycsrKiReKk2X-NndjsOGpxSNaC9H6hYX2gFkoRiL_O= QRSJbsZy3GW7njr > > > > We've been testing with openjdk for quite some time, those are supporte= d. > > The docs are ambiguous in that regard: > > > > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?axDFV0VGEqoZ5mAP7-eAuEvymmcOqMy-AQd1z3Z= mjioJpcV45jei0TZPPFqveKFbWyaiBdaBjhuqlsUc3Fgt2qgYG4nxsnGPwk1t0yi0fCeA3yFq1Z= N2mMQZYzVoeCqOa > > however I don't see why Oracle and OpenJDK wouldn't be supported. EOD > it's > > up to the community. > > > > Patrick > > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:02 AM Jeremiah Adams < > JAdams@helixeducation.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > Are there any documents available concerning Zookeeper's support for > Java > > > 11 and documents regarding models supporting Oracle's new licensing a= nd > > > release cadences? > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > Jeremiah Adams > > > Software Engineer > > > > > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?ahfhEufaAWbezBrUFPG98ZJcterGfIerU3ZwsA3= Gv_C0~ > > < > > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?a49H2rNGIIBtQOw6md8OcHp-qKE3Xn2gNiZ3dlq= AeSDA~ > > > > > > Blog< > > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?a49H2rNGIIBtQOw6md8OcHgFEZu-KYuiu8doY66= NWwmmyWxz7kC-27Yfnbdgd2wyh5gjXUa6LMT_NRXsj1g1VVg~~ > > > > | Twitter< > > > > > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?a0Q7ct5_6cOdbJ86kpWB0zx6RbtgugTVC7lU_W7= za50jLdZQGpLgVlR1V06zckSaM5oOKb6QBo46Qp9xt0Tt7Aw~~ > > > > | Facebook< > > > > > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?aAmyAO_nS_C1aDgBLeKyGTu0tksTt1_mn2PcS8K= JXNJPM04iRHKgX96qGgENV-dMSER5wl8zDVRr3RsS0OmcF9A~~ > > > > | LinkedIn< > > > > > > https://url.emailprotection.link/?aanlcNI-cN74Gdz-TD332xAl6lHu7TRNICWoHUF= jYf-KlBjrCGHoYR65b3rl-OyW10nWFv6hwYvUSoVHL4b3vGA~~ > > > > > > > > > --00000000000091e8eb0576129357--