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From Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Github & Jira notifications
Date Sun, 12 May 2019 19:31:05 GMT
re: existing users
I'd expect they read this mailing list, and if they do they should see the
announcement that things change and need to re-subscribe, if they don't
follow the list anyway then...well nothing really lost.
I understand the concern but I'm afraid there's nothing we can do there. I
don't think it's trivial to automatically subscribe people to a new list,
we'd need to ask INFRA if it's even possible.

re: new users: Yes, as a new subscriber it's definitely VERY overwhelming
(especially the gitbox mails) and it's also nowadays almost unexpected
because most other projects (at least the ones I follow) have the
separation of mailing lists already

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 6:28 PM Norbert Kalmar <nkalmar@cloudera.com.invalid>
wrote:

> I agree we have a lot of "noise", as others, I have created the filters and
> since forgot about them.
> But it is overwhelming for a new subscriber, and filters always carry the
> dangers of false positive filtering. i.e. filter out someone's email.
> I think someone joining the dev-zookeeper mailing list is always a good
> thing, and we shouldn't scare them away :)
> For the existing users, I guess they would have to sign up for the new
> list.
>
> It would be nice, but I'm not even sure of all the dependent stuff (Patrick
> just mentioned marmail for example).
>
> Regards,
> Norbert
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:06 AM Lars Francke <lars.francke@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, I didn't mean to comment on the tracking sites in the VOTE thread.
> > That belongs here.
> >
> > Either way: Markmail etc. shouldn't be broken. Yes, they may take a while
> > before they index stuff but the "canonical" tracking site is
> > https://lists.apache.org and that indexes new stuff automatically
> anwyay.
> >
> > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 9:55 AM Lars Francke <lars.francke@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm subscribed to around 40-60 Apache Mailing lists. If the
> notifications
> > > were in a separate list I could just subscribe to what I want instead
> of
> > > creating 80 or so filters.
> > >
> > > I think I disagree, I don't have to create filters if the dev list only
> > > contains "discussions".
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Lars
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 12:38 AM Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> You're going to have to have a filter regardless. Why change now?
> Also,
> > if
> > >> you do change it, be sure to update all of the tracking sites such as
> > >> markmail (etc...), I find this invaluable.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Patrick
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 1:18 AM Lars Francke <lars.francke@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > INFRA can do it all :)
> > >> >
> > >> > See for example this:
> > >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-17915> for Jira
> > >> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18296> for Github
> > >> >
> > >> > The necessary mailing lists can be created here <
> > >> > https://selfserve.apache.org/>
> > >> >
> > >> > I'd be happy to file the issues myself but it's better if it comes
> > from
> > >> a
> > >> > PMC member.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> > Lars
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 10:00 AM Andor Molnar
> > >> <andor@cloudera.com.invalid>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi Lars,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thank you for the hands, yes, indeed we are interested!
> > >> > > Currently I'm using all kind of magic filters to separate signal
> > from
> > >> > > noise.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > What do we need to do?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Regards,
> > >> > > Andor
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 9:51 AM Lars Francke <
> > lars.francke@gmail.com>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Hi,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I've recently subscribed to the dev mailinglist but am
> overwhelmed
> > >> by
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > number of github notifications and about to unsubscribe
again.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > But maybe you're interested in moving the github & jira
> > >> notifications
> > >> > to
> > >> > > a
> > >> > > > different mailing list? I did a quick search for on the
mailing
> > list
> > >> > > > archives but couldn't find another thread about it.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > The way we've done it at the Apache Training project now
for
> > >> example is
> > >> > > to
> > >> > > > send all Github notifications to notifications@ and all
Jira
> > >> messages
> > >> > to
> > >> > > > issues@ we only send Jira open and close mails to dev@
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > This lowers the volume significantly and works just fine.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Is this something you'd be interested in?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Cheers,
> > >> > > > Lars
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

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